Usyk is the true lineal, Fury is fraud

[Hustle]

Wlad was never lineal those who think or wish Fury continues this false narrative have agendas .

You can only restart lineal by becoming undisputed really since Lewis and Vitali left , anything beyond that is just jargon to confuse fans . You can’t just pick up a vacant belt either and claim that rank like Stiverne did with the WBC title which rules out Wilder since he won it from Stiverne .

For these reasons whoever gets undisputed is the actual true lineal champion again . You see Vitali forfeited the belt after the real lineal retired Lewis . Fury won the WBC against Wilder which is explained why he’s not lineal either .

There is no lineal currently .

None of what you said Is a fact.

You can reestablish lineal without being undisputed. It's been done over and over

[Toffee]

I don't think you understand what lineal is. Google it

I completely understand what you think lineal is, I just happen to completely disagree.

You believe a new lineage isn't created until we have an undisputed champion. Right?

So you've put lineal in the hands of the corrupt boxing orgs - ie the exact opposite of what lineal should represent. So no, I definitely don't agree with that.

And I don't need Google to give me someone else's interpretation.

[M312]

I completely understand what you think lineal is, I just happen to completely disagree.

You believe a new lineage isn't created until we have an undisputed champion. Right?

So you've put lineal in the hands of the corrupt boxing orgs - ie the exact opposite of what lineal should represent. So no, I definitely don't agree with that.

And I don't need Google to give me someone else's interpretation.

It's not my interpretation ffs!

It is THE interpretation. Just bloody Google it!

[M312]

None of what you said Is a fact.

You can reestablish lineal without being undisputed. It's been done over and over

Go on, tell us when.

[Toffee]

It's not my interpretation ffs!

It is THE interpretation. Just bloody Google it!

I'm happy to debate your opinion, but when you start claiming there is a single definition and a definitive set of lineal rules I'm very comfortable in simply stating that you are wrong.

Where are you getting this from? Lineal.com? Who is the organising body in your eyes?

You truly believe that you are right and everyone else is wrong on such a fundamental part of boxing? How's the misplaced arrogance??!!!

[M312]

I'm happy to debate your opinion, but when you start claiming there is a single definition and a definitive set of lineal rules I'm very comfortable in simply stating that you are wrong.

Where are you getting this from? Lineal.com? Who is the organising body in your eyes?

You truly believe that you are right and everyone else is wrong on such a fundamental part of boxing? How's the misplaced arrogance??!!!

It is not an opinion!

LINEAL - A direct line of descent or ancestry.

The answer is in the word!

There is no organising body. There is no belt. There are no sanctioning fees. Nothing. It's not an opinion.

It's a LINEAL timeline leading back from the original beltholders.

It's just a way of tracking the original route of the champion, like a royal ancestry timeline.

No opinion. No discussion.

You don't understand it but refuse to Google it...!!!

I literally don't know how else to explain to you without you just googling it.

[M312]

Here! A good timeline I found, even though it disagrees 'when Wlad was linear'.

But you get the idea of what linear actually is.

My only point is not what linear is, that's not a discussion point... but whether Wladimir ever was linear as he never fought his brother.

For me, and many others the 4th line has still never started as Wladimir never beat his brother.

Edit: not sure how to make it readable.
See link here (click Zoom):

https://postimg.cc/BXj5YjRY

[Toffee]

It is not an opinion!

LINEAL - A direct line of descent or ancestry.

The answer is in the word!

There is no organising body. There is no belt. There are no sanctioning fees. Nothing. It's not an opinion.

It's a LINEAL timeline leading back from the original beltholders.

It's just a way of tracking the original route of the champion, like a royal ancestry timeline.

No opinion. No discussion.

You don't understand it but refuse to Google it...!!!

I literally don't know how else to explain to you without you just googling it.

I know exactly what lineal means.

And nowhere in the definition of the word does it state that a new lineage can only be created by having an Undisputed champion.

Do you want to know how I know this?

1) That would involve the alphabet orgs determining the lineal champion.
2) You're applying a multi belt era solution to something that pre-existed them.

Why would I need to Google something so obviously incorrect? And I know that if I google it I will find plenty more opinions stating that lineage is created by the concensus 1 & 2 fighting than I will find opinions matching yours.

[M312]

I know exactly what lineal means.

And nowhere in the definition of the word does it state that a new lineage can only be created by having an Undisputed champion.

Do you want to know how I know this?

1) That would involve the alphabet orgs determining the lineal champion.
2) You're applying a multi belt era solution to something that pre-existed them.

Why would I need to Google something so obviously incorrect? And I know that if I google it I will find plenty more opinions stating that lineage is created by the concensus 1 & 2 fighting than I will find opinions matching yours.

I give up lol.

I'm actually half thinking you're trolling me at this point.

[Toffee]

I give up lol.

I'm actually half thinking you're trolling me at this point.

Mate, when you're **** to rights it's better to admit it.

When the champ retires, you don't need an Undisputed champion to start a new lineage.

You even posted an image that showed that!