Usyk is the true lineal, Fury is fraud

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Of course it's all opinion. Just as yours is that Wilder was top 2 in April 2017. In my opinion there's no chance you could rate Wilder above Klitschko or Joshua - at that point Wilder had fought no-one. His decision against Stiverne was his only decent win and he was coming off a win over Gerald Washington.

It's not inconsistent to rank Klitschko but not Fury. It's entirely reasonable. One was in camp for 18 months, trying to fight his rematch, and booking a title fight. The other was retired, banned and 25 stone. I don't need sources to inform that view - I'm basing it on what we both know actually happened.

LIneal is opinion (until they all fight watch other and sort it). I'm not sure which reputable source I would need. TBRB made a poor decision to unrank Wlad who was clearly actively seeking a fight (their words, by the way. They said he was not actively seeking fights and unranked him a couple of weeks before the Joshua fight was announced, which demonstrates that they were incorrect). Ring? Well they're not reputable in this debate - Fury still had their belt until 2018!

How’s it opinion when Ring, TBRB, ESPN, Boxrec and essentially every other reputable source all corroborate Fury’s lineal status.

Fury is the lineal champion mate, get over it. I know you don’t like him but it is what it is.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You continue being niave.

Wladimir never beat the next best boxer in the division, ever. I rate him very highly. But he was never undisputed or lineal other than some simple marketing for simple minds.

He was lineal though, whether you choose to acknowledge him or not. Your opinion isn’t going to matter when historians are discussing lineal champions decades from now. Essentially every reputable source recognises Klitschko as having a lineal reign.

[Dr. Z]

The consensus 1 & 2 via what source exactly?

Ring still had Fury ranked #1 so they didn’t have them 1 and 2.

TBRB recognised Klitschko as an inactive fighter so they didn’t have them 1 & 2.

I’m pretty sure Boxrec also remove fighters from their rankings after 12 months of inactivity so they also likely didn’t have them 1 & 2.

It’s utter madness to consider Usyk lineal, unless you’re simply just doing it to be anti-Fury.

When the champ retires the lineal title is vacant. For now, Fury is retired but should we believe him? If he seen out of the game for 2 years I say the winner of Usyk vs Joshua is the next lineal champ. Fury has a PED suspension, so careful to on his reasoning as to why he's retied.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

When the champ retires the lineal title is vacant. For now, Fury is retired but should we believe him? If he seen out of the game for 2 years I say the winner of Usyk vs Joshua is the next lineal champ. Fury has a PED suspension, so careful to on his reasoning as to why he's retied.

Never believe anything Fury says. He’ll fight again. No chance he’s actually retired IMO.

[M312]

He was lineal though, whether you choose to acknowledge him or not. Your opinion isn’t going to matter when historians are discussing lineal champions decades from now. Essentially every reputable source recognises Klitschko as having a lineal reign.

Not just my opinion, but I hear that. Wladimir will always be recognised as lineal at this point, even if not true in reality. It is what it is.

I just hope we get a real undisputed champion soon so we can put this nonsense to bed.

[REDEEMER]

None of what you said Is a fact.

You can reestablish lineal without being undisputed. It's been done over and over

Yes when belts were from the lineal champion undisputed wasn’t needed but if someone is undisputed that means in all likelihood they defeated every possible contender or next top contender to claim that ststus . The winner of Usyk vs A.J could arguably be that ,Fury is retired or he refuses to fight the two either way these are facts .

Go thru history and you’ll see I’m right there is no one who won the lineal title it had started over when Lewis and Vitali retired they actually held that lable not Fury .. That is the facts .

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Not just my opinion, but I hear that. Wladimir will always be recognised as lineal at this point, even if not true in reality. It is what it is.

I just hope we get a real undisputed champion soon so we can put this nonsense to bed.

Hopefully Fury just fights the Usyk-AJ winner next but it’s never that simple is it.

[Hustle]

Go on, tell us when.

Mayweather vs Pacquiao

[MONGOOSE66]

I like Usyk. I like his style but maybe once every 10 years a small guy comes in and raises hell but usually it’s NOT LONG LIVED. The ONLY cruiser that CONTROLLED the heavies was Tyson. Holyfield was another. Other one hit wonders was Chris Byrd & RJJ.
I like AJ too and he’s damn good BUT he only lost to Usyk cause he cant ADAPT. He proved that with Ruiz as well. This is the same situation.
Fury would KILL Usyk EASILY. Same with Otto and “yes” Wilder. Everyone is going to loose their sheeit with that last boxer LOL.
I expect AJ to win a decision (3-4 points).

[M312]

Hopefully Fury just fights the Usyk-AJ winner next but it’s never that simple is it.

Please. Just. Fight. Each. Other.