Pacquiao's catchweights

[Mike_b]

Just to be somewhat semi constructive... Ice baths in football are no different than catchweights in boxing, it's part of the game. Hasim Rahman said it best: "the heavyweight champion of the world is pound for pound the best boxer in the world, because he woops everyone below him in any given weight class any given night."

That's why guys like Chris Byrd and Roy Jones are badazzes, they are fighting guys that are "5 to 6 weight classes above themselves." If you start counting every pound it makes total sense. 10+10+10+10, etc. Heavyweight is the only natural weight class for most boxers. Not to sound smart azz but look at guys like Vargas, the late great Vernon Forrest ( may he rest in peace) , Ricky Hatton, Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera they all weigh over 200 lbs functionally after retiring. But extremely, it is very very crucial to fight at the smallest weight class you can get your body down to, for obvious reasons.

Such as reach, speed, agility, explosiveness, less power coming right back atcha, and essentially a "boost" of feeling strong for that weight class. You've all heard those stories of heavy(ier) fighters being able to walk down and eat punches due to their weight because it helps their punch resistance and adds to their chin being better.

When chocolatito got knocked out by suranvisai, I knew he was done. Sometimes at lower weights where it's 2 pounds between a division it seems (just a joke) that whoever has the better set of gloves will win. But boy did he prove me wrong, he ressurected his career and is known as one of the best combination punchers in the game. The reason why Guys like chololo Oscar Larios do so well at lower weight classes is because he has meter sticks for arms. Just like a 6 foot 2 middleweight, you can't eff with that! The early UFC is the ONLY place with open weight classes...barbaric as it seems. Some people like James toney who have an eating disorder are better off at unlimited weight classes. No weight classes / heavyweight/ means less headaches for the team.

Btw check out "Israel Vasquez vs Oscar Larios" at 122. This was a fight of the year. This is before Oscar lost to Manny Pacquiao and Israel before the trilogy versus the younger Marquez brother.

[Roadblock]

The guys Floyd cherrypicked are no better or worse than the guys Manny or Canelo fought.

Yep and Floyd never got beat the others did.

[Ropss]

Im not gonna argue everyones resume sucks and if fighter fough all top ranked contender reigning champions Lineal champions and dominated some of them in in fashion thats good resume its important to become undisputed also.

[Roadblock]

Just to be somewhat semi constructive... Ice baths in football are no different than catchweights in boxing, it's part of the game. Hasim Rahman said it best: "the heavyweight champion of the world is pound for pound the best boxer in the world, because he woops everyone below him in any given weight class any given night."

That's why guys like Chris Byrd and Roy Jones are badazzes, they are fighting guys that are "5 to 6 weight classes above themselves." If you start counting every pound it makes total sense. 10+10+10+10, etc. Heavyweight is the only natural weight class for most boxers. Not to sound smart azz but look at guys like Vargas, the late great Vernon Forrest ( may he rest in peace) , Ricky Hatton, Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera they all weigh over 200 lbs functionally after retiring. But extremely, it is very very crucial to fight at the smallest weight class you can get your body down to, for obvious reasons.

Such as reach, speed, agility, explosiveness, less power coming right back atcha, and essentially a "boost" of feeling strong for that weight class. You've all heard those stories of heavy(ier) fighters being able to walk down and eat punches due to their weight because it helps their punch resistance and adds to their chin being better.

When chocolatito got knocked out by suranvisai, I knew he was done. Sometimes at lower weights where it's 2 pounds between a division it seems (just a joke) that whoever has the better set of gloves will win. But boy did he prove me wrong, he ressurected his career and is known as one of the best combination punchers in the game. The reason why Guys like chololo Oscar Larios do so well at lower weight classes is because he has meter sticks for arms. Just like a 6 foot 2 middleweight, you can't eff with that! The early UFC is the ONLY place with open weight classes...barbaric as it seems. Some people like James toney who have an eating disorder are better off at unlimited weight classes. No weight classes / heavyweight/ means less headaches for the team.

Btw check out "Israel Vasquez vs Oscar Larios" at 122. This was a fight of the year. This is before Oscar lost to Manny Pacquiao and Israel before the trilogy versus the younger Marquez brother.

It seems to me you don't understand bodyweight and the most efficient performance curve somebody can be for their system, if its just weight anybody can be a heavy weight but only a lean fit guy at the weight will be efficient, the smaller a guy is generally the faster with more stamina he will be, add that dynamic to the power curve of added muscle mass, then as the weight gets bigger and the speed declines, the power goes up all the way to HW where the most powerful slowest guys are, if HWs were as fast as LWs their skill set would be a lot better than it is in HW boxing, it would be forced to be better and along with the power you would probably have more deaths in boxing.

In combat all things being equal weight will be the dominant factor, CWs are about weight and gaining an edge by having one guy moving away from his best performance curve towards his worst, the thing is that where it falls is different for each individual and cant be seen until in the ring on fight night, its there you can see whether a CW was very damaging or only a little,,,, lol in no way is weight in combat equal to any form of training or ice bath between two highly trained people, if you start going down this rabbit hole we may as well abolish training and every athlete must be 20% body fat and coming of the couch.

[djtmal]

Cherry-picking is subjective. What I’m talking about is undeniable FACTS. So your comment has absolutely nothing to do with Floyd fighting in less catchweights, fighting more fighters coming of KO wins, fighting less fighters coming off losses, and fighting for fewer vacant titles than both Nelo and Pacquiao.

Neither one of those guys welched on the agreement to the tune of 600,000 though did they:

Floyd Mayweather loses $600K after missing weight for Juan Manuel Marquez fight

LAS VEGAS -- A day after Floyd Mayweater missed his agreed-upon catch weight by two pounds for his fight late Saturday against Juan Manuel Marquez, two questions still prevailed.

When did he know he wasn't going to make 144 pounds?

And did he ever intend to try?

The Mayweather-Marquez contracts called for a welterweight fight -- 147 pounds -- but with an agreed-upon weight of 144 pounds.

Mayweather weighed 146 pounds at Friday's official weigh-in, to Marquez's 142.

If either fighter failed to make the catch weight, he was contractually bound to pay his opponent $300,000 for each pound he weighed heavier than 144.

That means Marquez essentially received a 30-percent bonus payment beyond his $2 million contractual purse -- $600,000 -- because Mayweather came in two pounds too heavy.

"Want me to be honest?" Mayweather said after his dominant 12-round decision win.

"Yesterday, when I woke up in the morning, I weighed at my house. I think I weighed 145 1/2 so I said, 'You know what, at least let me get down to at least 145.'

"So I jogged for 20 minutes on the treadmill at my house and I weighed 145-point-zero. So I thought when I got here, I was going to get on the scales and it was going to say 145. But I ain't crying or complaining. If the extra money is something they wanted, then it is what it is."

Marquez weighed 148 on HBO's unofficial scale Saturday night. Mayweather refused the network's request for a night-of-fight weigh-in.

"I think the weight was a big problem," said Marquez, who never officially weighed in heavier than 135 pounds previously. "I think there was maybe a 20-pound difference in weight."

Roger Mayweather, who trains his nephew, said shortly after the weigh-in that he had no idea what the contractual payment required but said he thought it would be four figures, or perhaps low five figures, for each pound overweight.

He grossly underestimated the penalty, of course, and said his nephew could have made 144 pounds, and attempted to do so.

He suggested his nephew might return to the scale within the two-hour time limit allowed by Nevada statute for a fighter to make weight, but that did not happen.

Floyd Mayweather Sr. said he was with his son until midnight the night before the weigh-in, "and he wasn't trying to dry out," the traditional nourishment and hydration deprivation fighters go through the night before a weigh-in.

Keith Kizer, Nevada Athletic Commission executive director, said both camps became aware Friday morning that Mayweather would not make the agreed-upon weight, a notification which struck many as curious.

"If this was built into the contract then why did they have that meeting?" said Bert Sugar, boxing author and historian. "What was that all about?"

The guy was already a lightweight how many more advantages did your boy need.
TBC. The best catchweights.

[Amir Imam]

Neither one of those guys welched on the agreement to the tune of 600,000 though did they:

Floyd Mayweather loses $600K after missing weight for Juan Manuel Marquez fight

LAS VEGAS -- A day after Floyd Mayweater missed his agreed-upon catch weight by two pounds for his fight late Saturday against Juan Manuel Marquez, two questions still prevailed.

When did he know he wasn't going to make 144 pounds?

And did he ever intend to try?

The Mayweather-Marquez contracts called for a welterweight fight -- 147 pounds -- but with an agreed-upon weight of 144 pounds.

Mayweather weighed 146 pounds at Friday's official weigh-in, to Marquez's 142.

If either fighter failed to make the catch weight, he was contractually bound to pay his opponent $300,000 for each pound he weighed heavier than 144.

That means Marquez essentially received a 30-percent bonus payment beyond his $2 million contractual purse -- $600,000 -- because Mayweather came in two pounds too heavy.

"Want me to be honest?" Mayweather said after his dominant 12-round decision win.

"Yesterday, when I woke up in the morning, I weighed at my house. I think I weighed 145 1/2 so I said, 'You know what, at least let me get down to at least 145.'

"So I jogged for 20 minutes on the treadmill at my house and I weighed 145-point-zero. So I thought when I got here, I was going to get on the scales and it was going to say 145. But I ain't crying or complaining. If the extra money is something they wanted, then it is what it is."

Marquez weighed 148 on HBO's unofficial scale Saturday night. Mayweather refused the network's request for a night-of-fight weigh-in.

"I think the weight was a big problem," said Marquez, who never officially weighed in heavier than 135 pounds previously. "I think there was maybe a 20-pound difference in weight."

Roger Mayweather, who trains his nephew, said shortly after the weigh-in that he had no idea what the contractual payment required but said he thought it would be four figures, or perhaps low five figures, for each pound overweight.

He grossly underestimated the penalty, of course, and said his nephew could have made 144 pounds, and attempted to do so.

He suggested his nephew might return to the scale within the two-hour time limit allowed by Nevada statute for a fighter to make weight, but that did not happen.

Floyd Mayweather Sr. said he was with his son until midnight the night before the weigh-in, "and he wasn't trying to dry out," the traditional nourishment and hydration deprivation fighters go through the night before a weigh-in.

Keith Kizer, Nevada Athletic Commission executive director, said both camps became aware Friday morning that Mayweather would not make the agreed-upon weight, a notification which struck many as curious.

"If this was built into the contract then why did they have that meeting?" said Bert Sugar, boxing author and historian. "What was that all about?"

The guy was already a lightweight how many more advantages did your boy need.
TBC. The best catchweights.

The Marquez fight is one of two catchweights I was referring to. You’re not making any points considering Pacquiao fought Marquez at catchweight too He fought in more catchweights than Floyd. Pacquiao also lost titles for coming in overweight something Floyd has never done, you lose again.

[djtmal]

Yep and Floyd never got beat the others did.

Floyd no risk weather

[djtmal]

The Marquez fight is one of two catchweights I was referring to.

Marquez wasn't a fight it was a farce.

[Roadblock]

Floyd no risk weather

But didnt you just say their opponents are no better no worse, did Manny and Canelo also have no risk with the same level of opponents.lol or are the same level no risk for Floyd because he was better than Canelo and Manny, actually, Manny doesn't even belong in the same conversation with Floyd and Canelo, they both a class above Manny the 8 time loser.

Its a wonder you got any feet left the number of times you shoot yourself in the foot.

[djtmal]

It seems to me you don't understand bodyweight and the most efficient performance curve somebody can be for their system, if its just weight anybody can be a heavy weight but only a lean fit guy at the weight will be efficient, the smaller a guy is generally the faster with more stamina he will be, add that dynamic to the power curve of added muscle mass, then as the weight gets bigger and the speed declines, the power goes up all the way to HW where the most powerful slowest guys are, if HWs were as fast as LWs their skill set would be a lot better than it is in HW boxing, it would be forced to be better and along with the power you would probably have more deaths in boxing.

In combat all things being equal weight will be the dominant factor, CWs are about weight and gaining an edge by having one guy moving away from his best performance curve towards his worst, the thing is that where it falls is different for each individual and cant be seen until in the ring on fight night, its there you can see whether a CW was very damaging or only a little,,,, lol in no way is weight in combat equal to any form of training or ice bath between two highly trained people, if you start going down this rabbit hole we may as well abolish training and every athlete must be 20% body fat and coming of the couch.

Thats a lot of excuse for a welterweight who just welched a lightweight on the scales and paid for the priviledge:

Floyd Mayweather loses $600K after missing weight for Juan Manuel Marquez fight

LAS VEGAS -- A day after Floyd Mayweater missed his agreed-upon catch weight by two pounds for his fight late Saturday against Juan Manuel Marquez, two questions still prevailed.

When did he know he wasn't going to make 144 pounds?

And did he ever intend to try?

The Mayweather-Marquez contracts called for a welterweight fight -- 147 pounds -- but with an agreed-upon weight of 144 pounds.

Mayweather weighed 146 pounds at Friday's official weigh-in, to Marquez's 142.

If either fighter failed to make the catch weight, he was contractually bound to pay his opponent $300,000 for each pound he weighed heavier than 144.

That means Marquez essentially received a 30-percent bonus payment beyond his $2 million contractual purse -- $600,000 -- because Mayweather came in two pounds too heavy.

"Want me to be honest?" Mayweather said after his dominant 12-round decision win.

"Yesterday, when I woke up in the morning, I weighed at my house. I think I weighed 145 1/2 so I said, 'You know what, at least let me get down to at least 145.'

"So I jogged for 20 minutes on the treadmill at my house and I weighed 145-point-zero. So I thought when I got here, I was going to get on the scales and it was going to say 145. But I ain't crying or complaining. If the extra money is something they wanted, then it is what it is."

Marquez weighed 148 on HBO's unofficial scale Saturday night. Mayweather refused the network's request for a night-of-fight weigh-in.

"I think the weight was a big problem," said Marquez, who never officially weighed in heavier than 135 pounds previously. "I think there was maybe a 20-pound difference in weight."

Roger Mayweather, who trains his nephew, said shortly after the weigh-in that he had no idea what the contractual payment required but said he thought it would be four figures, or perhaps low five figures, for each pound overweight.

He grossly underestimated the penalty, of course, and said his nephew could have made 144 pounds, and attempted to do so.

He suggested his nephew might return to the scale within the two-hour time limit allowed by Nevada statute for a fighter to make weight, but that did not happen.

Floyd Mayweather Sr. said he was with his son until midnight the night before the weigh-in, "and he wasn't trying to dry out," the traditional nourishment and hydration deprivation fighters go through the night before a weigh-in.

Keith Kizer, Nevada Athletic Commission executive director, said both camps became aware Friday morning that Mayweather would not make the agreed-upon weight, a notification which struck many as curious.

"If this was built into the contract then why did they have that meeting?" said Bert Sugar, boxing author and historian. "What was that all about?"

The guy was already a lightweight how many more advantages did your boy need.
TBC. The best catchweights.