Comments Thread For: Haney On WBC Lightweight Title Confusion: They Can Say What They Want To Say, It's Still Disputed

[Ajvar]

I know boxing's fans are the dumbest of all sport (save for the mma) but is it that really hard to undersand the concept for all that as long as beltholder remains in according weight class his Franchise belt is transferable and is The Real WBC belt. While as soon as beltholder moves from that weight for good his belt and champion are not The Real anymore and status is downgraded to "Eternal/In recess/Diamond Champion" sort of status.

I haven't kept up with the franchise title at all, last I'd heard it wasn't transferable, i hadn't even realised that Lopez had become franchise.

Is Canelo still franchise champ at 160? If so does that mean Charlo's belt at 160 (in the eyes of the WBC) can't be officially unified with another middleweight title, and wouldn't count as part of an undisputed reign either?

[Toffee]

The Franchise world championship is higher than the regular world championship in the WBC's ratings, just as the Super world championship is higher than the regular world championship in the WBA's ratings.

It's not the same. And you know that.

This would be like the WBA suddenly deciding it's the other way around and recognising the Regular championship rather than the Super because they don't like how the division is panning out.

The WBC have a champion. It's Devin Haney.

Quick question, is Canelo still Franchise Middleweight Champion?

[Chrismart]

I know boxing's fans are the dumbest of all sport (save for the mma) but is it that really hard to undersand the concept for all that as long as beltholder remains in according weight class his Franchise belt is transferable and is The Real WBC belt. While as soon as beltholder moves from that weight for good his belt and champion are not The Real anymore and status is downgraded to "Eternal/In recess/Diamond Champion" sort of status.

Yeah, nothing confusing or ridiculous about it at all. A totally 'straight forward', 'non-improvised', played by ear set of regulations that completely differ from those they themselves originally set out; that can lead to champs being demoted and reinstated regularly if the situation need be regardless of any time frame.

You'd be crazy to question it, grasp it, or fail to take it seriously, right?

[M312]

You don't get to invent your own definition of undisputed champion. Every recognized boxing organization agrees that Kambosos is the world champion, therefore he is the undisputed world champion. The WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO all agree he is the champion. There is no dispute. Haney's belt is the same as Tank's belt, a second tier title.

You do realise why the franchise belt was created?

It was created so that Canelo, and following that Loma, didn't have to face their mandatories.

They dropped the actual world titles to took on this 'show title' to represent the WBC, in whatever division they chose to fight.

It is not linked to a division. Canelo is Franchise champion if he fights at Cruiser, SMW, featherweight. Doesn't matter. It's his mantle piece belt.

This is worth watching (from around 2min22):

[Ajvar]

Yeah, nothing confusing or ridiculous about it at all. A totally 'straight forward', 'non-improvised', played by ear set of regulations that completely differ from those they themselves originally set out; that can lead to champs being demoted and reinstated regularly if the situation need be regardless of any time frame.

You'd be crazy to question it, grasp it, or fail to take it seriously, right?

You'll wonder about how people who can do 1st grade math classify WBA champions then if you wondered above. Go tell those here on wikiabout how their set of classification completely differ from those officials from WBA set. Also, while at it, go tell Viagra producers that they originally intended to use those pills for other purposes.
You finish with the analysis how politicians/officials usually aren't that straightforward in their business and hide their true intentions of their actions. REAL EYE OPENER!

Lookaround. EVERYONE questions... legacy of Haney's belt. We know Haney is email chump or 2ndary champ, it's just you and few more haters who play like they doesn't.

You do realise why the franchise belt was created? It was created so that Canelo, and following that Loma, didn't have to face their mandatories.
It is not linked to a division. Canelo is Franchise champion if he fights at Cruiser

It's quite possible you were created 'cuz your parents wouldn't spend extra time of their mood for 'unnecessary' protection but that doesn't mean they treat you like that or that you should be treated like that for your life.

Canelo's belt is not transferable anymore and he is not World Champion of that weight class. Loma's belt was transferable and he DID NOT AVOID any mandatory, FFS. Haney wasn't even a mandatory when Loma got that vacant WBC belt and wouldn't be assigned FOR THREE YEARS after that!

[WBC WBA IBF]

Nobody is dis*****g that the Franchise title is ranked higher than the WBC World champion, in the WBC world rankings. And that Kambosos is indeed the proud owner of that belt. But the dispute is that, that belt is not the world title. Therefore it's not part of the undisputed world chiompionship.

The Franchise world title is the same as the Super world title now. Tank & Devin's belts are irrelevant. Neither holds the top title of their organization.

[WBC WBA IBF]

And let's not forget that by the very definition of the word, that its not undisputed. Why? Because we're all dis*****g it. Why is Josh Taylor and Canelo undisputed? Because nobody is dis*****g it.

David Morrell and Tank Davis are dis*****g it.

[WBC WBA IBF]

It's not the same. And you know that.

It absolutely is the same.

This would be like the WBA suddenly deciding it's the other way around and recognising the Regular championship rather than the Super because they don't like how the division is panning out.

Originally "Franchise" was an honorary award for just one person. The WBC is allowed to decide later to change "Franchise" to a world championship of higher esteem than the regular world championship. We don't have to like it. I certainly hope it goes away, but until it does, if the WBC says Kambosos is their top champion and undisputed, then he's undisputed.

[WBC WBA IBF]

You do realise why the franchise belt was created?

It was created so that Canelo, and following that Loma, didn't have to face their mandatories.

They dropped the actual world titles to took on this 'show title' to represent the WBC, in whatever division they chose to fight.

It is not linked to a division. Canelo is Franchise champion if he fights at Cruiser, SMW, featherweight. Doesn't matter. It's his mantle piece belt.

Not anymore. The Franchise world championship is now a traditional world championship that can be won and lost, just like the WBA's super world championship.

[Tony Green]

I know Australian casuals want to jump to Kabanossi being the new sugar Ray Robinson but I'm afraid it's just no so.

First off, I'm not an Aussie, Im pretty much as far as u can get from Australia, and secondly, I never said he was the best thing since sliced bread, I just called out your total lack of respect for a fighter who just embarrassed your boy, and the whole tone of your posts just come across as massively butthurt, and at no point did I compare him to srr, suck it up champ, you're embarrassing yourself