Why won't Dillian Shyte fight Luis Ortiz?

[champion4ever]

Man, you ask wrong questions. So far, Whyte fought Parker, Joshua, Rivas, Povetkin twice.

You have a bunch of PBC heavyweights, including Ortiz, who don`t even fight each other. How about that? So Whyte must fights everybody because PBC guys don`t fight each other?

Most of the best heavyweights in the world fight in the U.K. They don't fight in the U.S. It wasn't like that 20 years ago but boxing is no a longer mainstream sport stateside.

[ShoulderRoll]

Most of the best heavyweights in the world fight in the U.K. They don't fight in the U.S. It wasn't like that 20 years ago but boxing is no a longer mainstream sport stateside.

But Shyte wants to make a big splash in the US market.

What better way to do that than to come over here and beat Luis Ortiz in impressive fashion? That would make a statement.

[champion4ever]

But Shyte wants to make a big splash in the US market.

What better way to do that than to come over here and beat Luis Ortiz in impressive fashion? That would make a statement.

I agree. He should. It would make for a very entertaining, crowd pleasing and fan friendly fight.

[billeau2]

I don’t believe that at all. I’ve been saying this throughout this whole heavyweight era. There’s four or five guys that can fight while everyone else is on the same level.

Thank You!! Someone else who gets it... Sweet Jesus you would think we were talking about the seventies, and some guy was calling out Ali and avoiding Norton, Shavers, Young, etc lol... People have this ridiculous notion that workman like fighters are superior to the guys Ortiz fought... its laughable. I like guys like Chisora, Whyte, Povatkin, Kubrec, but they are not any jump up from other workman like fighters in the division... Ortiz fought well against Wilder the second time, no shame, did as well as an guy not named Fury...

[Marchegiano]

Does Ortiz even box anymore?

[billeau2]

He really isn't though.
Wilder is better than all of those guys and a prime Jennings is at least on par with them.

I don't know why people act like Whytes resume is so great they are all gatekeeper types.
Chisora, Rivas, Takam even Povetkin and I don't care if he won a title all of these are just known for losing every time they step up. Jennings also. They're all at the same level and none are anything special especially a 42yr old Povetkin who could barely walk to the ring unassisted.

I mean its the ultimate in splitting hairs lol. At the end of the day all the guys mentioned stepped up and couldn't do it. I ask posters to tell me on a technical level... what makes Povetkin, or Chisora so much better than the guys King Kong fought? Some of them started out looking promising... Like Parker, but I don't see any of these guys beating up Ortiz. And people never give Ortiz credit. he did not lose to the guys he fought, he faltered when the rest of them faltered...

[billeau2]

Man, you can say whatever you want, thing is, Whyte is fighting much better competition than Ortiz, who is known for being stopped by Wilder twice.

"much better?" Really? and what makes this competition so "much better?" So much better than a guy who beat everyone in front of him, beat one of the more talented upcommers (jennings) and did a decent job the second time he fought Wilder? What features make these workman like fighters so "much better?" What have they done? Have they beat any of the top three? Wilder, Fury or Joshua?

What makes this fkery even more amusing is that Ruiz who beat Joshua once, fought mostly unknowns and was actually beat by Parker... and managed to beat Joshua once... Think about that and what it implies. It means that a guy who was worse than Ortiz (lost once to Parker) fighting such competition was still able to beat one of the best (joshua) implying that the level of more well known workman like fighters, or the absence of them, did not hurt Ruiz... even losing to one of them (Parker).

[PBR Streetgang]

He really isn't though.
Wilder is better than all of those guys and a prime Jennings is at least on par with them.

Had Ortiz beat Wilder, his resume would be better but he didn't. He got KO'd twice. Both Whyte and Ortiz got KO'd by guys considered to be at the top (Wilder and AJ).

If spirited defeats mean so much then I guess Wallin should be on par with Ortiz since he gave Fury a competitive fight.

As for Jennings, his one and only decent win...we rate him based off of going the distance with Klitschko and winning a few rounds. Jennings top wins were cruiserweight Mike Perez, Spilzka, and Fedesov.

If Whyte's resume is filled with gatekeeper guys (B/C level) then Ortiz resume is filled with dudes that gatekeepers pad their own record with (C/D level).

Whyte's ducking Ortiz by fighting Povetkin. Meanwhile Ortiz making waves by fighting Alexander Flores in his 34th fight.

[billeau2]

Does Ortiz even box anymore?

See thats the thing: I have not seen him fight lately. He may be shot... But assuming so? Why? Areolla threw more punches against Ruiz, I think he set a record, and he was supposedly "shot." In a weak division guys who have been can rise again.

[Toffee]

Stepping up and giving a good account of yourself is overrated.

Ortiz stepped up twice, put up a good showing, and got knocked out twice.

And his best win is against a guy who stepped up and gave a good account of himself against Klitschko... but lost.

Losing efforts prove nothing. Ortiz has no resume.

It's not athletics. You don't record a good time when you come second in boxing.