UFC n mma offically overtakes boxing

[Lomadeaux]

Dude just gathered up the highest purses in MMA history over the past 6 years and they didn't equal ONE boxers purse in 2020.

I love when the opposing side proves my point.

[TMLT87]

You realize that they're paid fair for their work right? Boxers and MMA fighters.

Nope, boxers are ridiculously overpaid (well in truth the ****** money is concentrated into a very small number of boxers) while MMA fighters are a little underpaid. I know you'd like to cling to this "they're paid less because they're less talented" BS but Khabib would cave Floyds ****ing head in in under 2 minutes. Jon Jones and Khabib had more impressive runs than Canelo over the same time frame, relative to their sport. And if we go by drawing power you've got Loma and Lopez getting a combined roughly $5m to fight on regular ESPN so Bob can get one ratings win over the UFCs free non PPV cards. Spence and Danny Garcia getting like $15m for a PPV that did slightly below the average for the UFCs 12 PPVs a year. And of course the classic Canelo sitting in his locker room waiting for an hour because DAZN didnt want his fight to go head to head with a UFC fight between two dudes with a fight purse roughly 40 times less than his fight.

And again, MMA pay has increased massively over the last 15 years anyway, the gap is closing.

[Lomadeaux]

Nope, boxers are ridiculously overpaid (well in truth the ****** money is concentrated into a very small number of boxers) while MMA fighters are a little underpaid. I know you'd like to cling to this "they're paid less because they're less talented" BS but Khabib would cave Floyds ****ing head in in under 2 minutes. Jon Jones and Khabib had more impressive runs than Canelo over the same time frame, relative to their sport. And if we go by drawing power you've got Loma and Lopez getting a combined roughly $5m to fight on regular ESPN so Bob can get one ratings win over the UFCs free non PPV cards. Spence and Danny Garcia getting like $15m for a PPV that did slightly below the average for the UFCs 12 PPVs a year. And of course the classic Canelo sitting in his locker room waiting for an hour because DAZN didnt want his fight to go head to head with a UFC fight between two dudes with a fight purse roughly 40 times less than his fight.

And again, MMA pay has increased massively over the last 15 years anyway, the gap is closing.

Argues that MMA is better than boxing... Proceeds to source multiple sources over the past 6 years proving boxers are paid far higher... continues to argue that mma is better than boxing...

Buddy, nobody is saying that you can’t like MMA. We’re saying that it’s an entirely different, less popular sport than boxing... that’s all. Some of these guys have been fighting since they were 8 years old. UFC fighters are in their 3rd or 4th sport and could never fight in the big leagues like boxing.

You like MMA... nothing wrong with that.

[TMLT87]

less popular sport than boxing

If this is the case why is the UFC doing much better on PPV? why do UFC fighters have much larger social media followings on average? why does the UFC get more views/subs on Youtube than boxing? why does the UFC do higher ratings than Top Rank on the same network? why did EA drop the Fight Night series and start making UFC games? why does Sherdog have more traffic than any boxing forum? why does Reddit MMA have more members than Reddit boxing? I mean...what metrics are actually in boxings favour now to support your argument that its more popular? at this point it basically comes down to the pay argument which doesnt hold up great unless you wanna argue someone like Tank is actually a bigger star than someone like Adesanya.

Some of these guys have been fighting since they were 8 years old. UFC fighters are in their 3rd or 4th sport

I cant tell if you're deliberately being disingenuous or just genuinely dont understand how MMA works. Its MIXED MARTIAL ARTS, as in a mix of different styles, hence the fact people transition into it from other forms of combat. Nobody trains "MMA" as a kid, its widely accepted that the best way is to start off focusing on one area as an initial base (usually wrestling) at a young age and then add to/adapt your game over time for MMA. MMA gyms dont even really run "MMA" classes, they run individual wrestling, BJJ, boxing, muay thai classes with the teaching adapted to an MMA context. The vast majority of MMA fighters have been training in some form of combat sports since they were small children, and by the time they hit elite UFC level they are often high level in multiple. So you are seriously misrepresenting the situation, just like when you talk about WWE wrestlers doing MMA.

could never fight in the big leagues like boxing.

Lol "the big leagues", the UFC is bigger than PBC, Top Rank and Golden Boy combined both domestically and globally. Ben 1-2 in the UFC Askren is about to headline one of the biggest boxing PPVs of the year along with a Youtuber. 1-3 in the UFC Clay Collard was all over Top Rank cards and marketed as one of their attractions.

[War Room]

The first 1M purse was recent is what I was saying. On top of that, you proved that one boxer in boxing makes more than all of those purses combined.... You realize that they're paid fair for their work right? Boxers and MMA fighters.

Economics is all you need to know. Look at the price of a ringside (top MMA fighter) ticket vs a top boxers ticket. It's night and day dude. Wake up.

Dude just gathered up the highest purses in MMA history over the past 6 years and they didn't equal ONE boxers purse in 2020.

I love when the opposing side proves my point.

I think you got your lines crossed here. I wasn't reading anything you posted until you responded to me out of turn. I wasn't even talking to you, I was talking to two other guys. I was talking to someone else about how McMuffin was the face of MMA, people were argueing with me saying he wasn't then you come in and say he didn't make a purse over 1 mill which I'm like ok this mor0n is arguing he's not top dog too.

We're on the same side here lmao. You love it when the opposite side proves their point, ok, but like you thought I was on the other side of the street when I was right here on the same side the whole time lmao. You people REALLY need to start reading and being conscious of who you're replying to.

Dude thought he was fighting with someone he literally wasn't. Got to love it when someone thinks you're arguing with them when they aren't. I don't know what drugs you're doing my man, but get your life together. You literally just clowned yourself.

[TMLT87]

I loved MMA in the early days, when you'd have a Sumo wrestler vs a Boxer or a Karate master vs a Judo expert.
When they started merging all the techniques it lost its magic and I lost interest. Should never have happened, each discipline used to be proud and honourable now it's all about efficiency and grappling.

I'd watch the old style every day of the week. If they brought in a strikes only MMA with no grappling, I'd be all over that too.

The style vs style aspect was fun, but the eventual merging of techniques into a more h.o.m.ogenized skillset was always going to be the end result. I mean, the whole point of those early UFC events was testing what styles/techniques work and what dont in a live setting, and then everybody learning and adapting from that. The quality of the fights/fighters improved rapidly as well. The fact that stuff like Fedor/Nog, Wand/Rampage and Chuck/Randy was happening only 10 years after UFC 1 is ****ing mindblowing imo, they might as well have been 50 years apart in terms of skill and professionalism.

(and tbf, Wonderboy is a higher level karate guy than anyone thats ever been in MMA as far as i'm aware if you're into that)

On the grappling thing, I think MMA these days is actually a lot less grappling focused than it used to be. The overall level of defensive wrestling tends to be high enough that it kind of forces guys to stand with each other a lot of the time instead of expending tons of energy on failed takedown attempts. Another thing is a lot of the high level wrestling/BJJ guys these days tend to have much better striking than the pure grapplers from the old days as well.

[ELPacman]

UFC is more popular in Boxing because white people can compete. Boxing is dominated by Latinos and Blacks. With the racism in America, I'm shocked it took this long. Worldwide however, boxing is still more popular.

[Eff Pandas]

I loved MMA in the early days, when you'd have a Sumo wrestler vs a Boxer or a Karate master vs a Judo expert.
When they started merging all the techniques it lost its magic and I lost interest. Should never have happened, each discipline used to be proud and honourable now it's all about efficiency and grappling.

I'd watch the old style every day of the week. If they brought in a strikes only MMA with no grappling, I'd be all over that too.

Those early days were like the wild wild west of MMA & idk how you couldn't enjoy them. That said every sport has a progression towards what works best or just better. And thats what MMA has done & continues to do. The calf kicks that guys are throwing a lot more lately with great effect are proof that the sport is still improving slowly but surely.

I think the game has less grappling then its ever had. And there seem to be fewer "lay n pray" type guys than ever. With the 50k bonus guys are kinda incentivized to have entertaining fights.

Fook I wish boxing stole some of the things the UFC did well.

1)Keep it moving. Every fight on a UFC card covers the time of the fight & maybe 5 minutes before the next fight starts. If there is an KO1/Sub1 thats the only time you'll have a 20ish minute lag in fighting. Boxing has 10-30 minute gaps between fights on the regular & you could get a longer gap for the main event.

2)Give a bonus for fun fights & KO's. This encourages exciting fights & risk taking for all guys on a card. It likely enhances fans desire to see more of the fights on the card instead of the typical boxing audience that don't find their seat til late in the co-main. Meanwhile MGK & Megan Fox been watching UFC fights since the 1st prelim let alone the average Joe.

3)1 fooking belt. Even when they got a interim belt the champ & interim guy fight & figure out who's the real champ sooner rather than later.

4)Quit inventing so much weight divisions. There are 8 divisions in the UFC. Boxing has twice as many divisions & 4 times as many title holders. You need a Phd in ABC Groups to know all these title holders.

I'm sure there are a couple more but they are escaping me at the moment.

[Eff Pandas]

UFC is more popular in Boxing because white people can compete.

Bruh wtf you talking about. 3 guys on the current Ring P4P Rankings are white dudes (Usyk, Loma & Taylor). Being talked about P4P is doing more than "competing". And fook I think you could argue Canelo is white lol & an Asian is the 2nd guy on the list.

And black dudes can compete in MMA too. The UFC currently has 4 of their 7 belts held by black guys & 3 African rooted black guys at that (Nigeria x2 & Cameroon).

[TMLT87]

UFC is more popular in Boxing because white people can compete. Boxing is dominated by Latinos and Blacks. With the racism in America, I'm shocked it took this long. Worldwide however, boxing is still more popular.

2007 wants its argument back.