UFC n mma offically overtakes boxing

[Lomadeaux]

The worst thing with this deluded dunce is why is he even here fabricating success for a sport on a boxing forum? What is the purpose of him being here? If UFC is so great and he loves watching men gesticulate their groins in other people's faces then let him go watch it show me the last time you had a boxing fan on one of their ********** forums reminding them that they are a little brother sport, with little brother syndrome? We don't what's the point?

Never hear Rugby players talking about American football players either? not sure what the strange obsession these MMA **** have with boxing is? it's like unrequited love. You should kill yourself the more I think about it. Drink some bleach and kill yourself I insist.

If you sat down with them and had a conversation, they'd sound like fools. It's pointless. MMA is a 3rd sport for dudes in their 30's. Boxers start at age 8.

[ThomasParson]

I think this sport deserves all the admiration. I respect all athletes!

[TMLT87]

In the last 15 years, Joshua has repeatedly sold over a million, Canelo has repeatedly sold over a Million Pac has repeatedly sold over a million the biggest ever recorded PPV in Floyd Pac occured the second biggest ever ppv occured in Floyd v connor lol.

You're missing the point, since 2006 theres been 20 boxing events that have broken a million buys vs 19 UFC events. Before 2006 there was ZERO UFC events that did even half a million. After Floyd/Pac happened its been 6 for boxing and 8 for MMA, but two of those boxing PPVs are freakshows that have **** all to do with current boxing as they are made up literally entirely of retired boxers, MMA fighters, Youtubers and NBA players (incidentally they're the two biggest boxing PPVs in that time). The UFC never had the biggest PPV fight of the year before Floyd/Pac, since then they've had the biggest fight of 2016, 2018, 2019, 2021 so far and the only reason they didnt get 2020 as well is Mike ****ing Tyson came out of retirement.

You funnily enough left off Floyd and Ryan Garcia? This type of cherry piucking just highlights what a deluded dunce you truly are lol

Uhh..I left off Floyd because hes a 44 year old whos 2 fights since 2015 were against an 0-0 in boxing MMA fighter and a 0-0 in boxing kickboxer (which happened on an MMA card). And his next fight was supposed to be vs Logan ****ing Paul. How the **** is he remotely relevant to modern day boxing?

Ryan Garcia has a big social media following but he hasnt even been on PPV yet.

Lol Conor Floyd was a boxing match so stop trying to use that to prop up your weak argument once again it just highlights how pathetic and ****** you are the fact that you come to a boxing forum to brag about something that isn't true for what purpose? that was the first instance of you demonstrating ******ity, trying to use a boxing match because it included a UFC fighter who trained boxing to prop up your numbers is your second instance of ******ity you are on way to demonstrating what a complete and utter idiot you are.

I separated the Floyd fight from Conors UFC PPV fights because he doesnt even need it to clearly be the biggest active combat sports star. Yes you're right it was a boxing match, and evidently more people wanted to watch an 0-0 UFC star fight Floyd in a boxing match than wanted to watch Canelo do the same, or that wanted to watch Canelo/GGG. That Floyd/Conor fight did more PPV buys than the rest of the top 5 biggest drawing boxing PPVs since 2016 combined. And your conclusion from that is i'm using that fight to prop up MMA numbers....what?

Jeff Horn isn't even a star in boxing that's the point but regionally he's sold more than UFC's next star? who just lost by the way.

Lol at the mental gymnastics. So what exactly was this PPV record you speak off? do you have any actual numbers because I cant find them, or the UFCs PPVs numbers in Australia for that matter. All I know is it seems the biggest name Australian fighters internationally, by far, are in MMA. What do you think would happen if lets say an Australia based UFC card with Whittaker/Volk/Adesanya/Tuivasa went head to head with an Aussie boxing card with Horn, Tszyu et al? personally I think the UFC would do better there and obviously would do much better globally.

Floyd V hatton was on at 4 am in the uk and sold 1.2 million in the UK alone UFC isn't a big sport in the UK

Floyd vs Hatton was A) 14 ****ing years ago, the UK media didnt even cover MMA then outside of occasionally calling for "cage fighting" to be banned and B) cost £14.95

I already said the UK was a major market for boxing anyway, never said MMA was close to it there.

What a dunce one American forum doesn't mean much you thick ****. Boxing has a broader age demographic amongst it's audience they aren't all logging on to forums to post my 64-year-old dad and all of his friends watch boxing they don't watch that ****sexual gay stuff you seem obsessed with promoting and they aren't going online to discuss the fight either.

My freind group ranging in age from 20 - 35 all watch boxing and have families they arent going online regularly to post either

And here we go with the mental gymnastics again. So nobody outside of America can access Sherdog or Reddit I guess. The age range thing is funny too because you'd think older people would watch through more traditional means which would reflect in tv ratings and traditional PPV.....except it doesnt, the UFC wins there, and it wins in the numbers that skew towards younger people too ie Social media, Youtube etc etc.

You should kill yourself the more I think about it. Drink some bleach and kill yourself I insist.

Lol, the frustration of a man sitting there thinking "****, hes right but I dont want to admit it", love you too bro.

[TMLT87]

There's a reason they go there and not boxing.

Is there a reason that Youtubers and Screech from Saved By The Bell go to boxing and not MMA?

There's no way shape or form MMA will ever surpass boxing. It's honestly, all about money.

Except...its not. Its also about PPV buys, tv ratings, attendances, talent pool, social media following, YT views, media coverage, water cooler talk etc etc and MMA is winning in a lot of those categories these days. 20 years ago it wasnt even remotely close in any. Fighter pay actually means less than most of those things from a fans perspective.

Btw, the entire payroll of events back in like 2006 and earlier were less than what Ngannou made last weekend. So the gap is closing there too. Especially when you bear in mind that the UFC has like 700 fighters on its roster, with boxing once you get out of the top 20-30 guys the pay drops off a cliff.

[Lomadeaux]

Is there a reason that Youtubers and Screech from Saved By The Bell go to boxing and not MMA?




Except...its not. Its also about PPV buys, tv ratings, attendances, talent pool, social media following, YT views, media coverage, water cooler talk etc etc and MMA is winning in a lot of those categories these days. 20 years ago it wasnt even remotely close in any. Fighter pay actually means less than most of those things from a fans perspective.

Btw, the entire payroll of events back in like 2006 and earlier were less than what Ngannou made last weekend. So the gap is closing there too. Especially when you bear in mind that the UFC has like 700 fighters on its roster, with boxing once you get out of the top 20-30 guys the pay drops off a cliff.

1 boxer in the world makes more money than all of UFC fighter purses combined.

It's just economics man. More people pay for boxing. The kids can talk MMA all they want. When you watch world class boxing your eyes immediately tell you that you're watching something special.

[nubianpiye]

You're missing the point, since 2006 theres been 20 boxing events that have broken a million buys vs 19 UFC events. Before 2006 there was ZERO UFC events that did even half a million. After Floyd/Pac happened its been 6 for boxing and 8 for MMA, but two of those boxing PPVs are freakshows that have **** all to do with current boxing as they are made up literally entirely of retired boxers, MMA fighters, Youtubers and NBA players (incidentally they're the two biggest boxing PPVs in that time). The UFC never had the biggest PPV fight of the year before Floyd/Pac, since then they've had the biggest fight of 2016, 2018, 2019, 2021 so far and the only reason they didnt get 2020 as well is Mike ****ing Tyson came out of retirement.



Uhh..I left off Floyd because hes a 44 year old whos 2 fights since 2015 were against an 0-0 in boxing MMA fighter and a 0-0 in boxing kickboxer (which happened on an MMA card). And his next fight was supposed to be vs Logan ****ing Paul. How the **** is he remotely relevant to modern day boxing?

Ryan Garcia has a big social media following but he hasnt even been on PPV yet.




I separated the Floyd fight from Conors UFC PPV fights because he doesnt even need it to clearly be the biggest active combat sports star. Yes you're right it was a boxing match, and evidently more people wanted to watch an 0-0 UFC star fight Floyd in a boxing match than wanted to watch Canelo do the same, or that wanted to watch Canelo/GGG. That Floyd/Conor fight did more PPV buys than the rest of the top 5 biggest drawing boxing PPVs since 2016 combined. And your conclusion from that is i'm using that fight to prop up MMA numbers....what?





Lol at the mental gymnastics. So what exactly was this PPV record you speak off? do you have any actual numbers because I cant find them, or the UFCs PPVs numbers in Australia for that matter. All I know is it seems the biggest name Australian fighters internationally, by far, are in MMA. What do you think would happen if lets say an Australia based UFC card with Whittaker/Volk/Adesanya/Tuivasa went head to head with an Aussie boxing card with Horn, Tszyu et al? personally I think the UFC would do better there and obviously would do much better globally.




Floyd vs Hatton was A) 14 ****ing years ago, the UK media didnt even cover MMA then outside of occasionally calling for "cage fighting" to be banned and B) cost £14.95

I already said the UK was a major market for boxing anyway, never said MMA was close to it there.




And here we go with the mental gymnastics again. So nobody outside of America can access Sherdog or Reddit I guess. The age range thing is funny too because you'd think older people would watch through more traditional means which would reflect in tv ratings and traditional PPV.....except it doesnt, the UFC wins there, and it wins in the numbers that skew towards younger people too ie Social media, Youtube etc etc.



Lol, the frustration of a man sitting there thinking "****, hes right but I dont want to admit it", love you too bro.

no frustration, just annoyance you are like an annoying gnat or mosquito biting a human ultimately as pointless irrelevance but none the less an annoyance ufc is the same to boxing the annoying little brother that’s tired of living in boxing’s shadow so you make up lies and cause a scene because you are lacking attention like I’ve said what was the purpose of this post? You’ve also on multiple occasions contradicted your own initial statement by highlighting that boxing still surpasses mma but you are off the opinion that mma is catching up? the best ufc fighter had been caught in excess of four times taking steroids. Ida a joke sport. Big many miler got caught twice and was chased out of the sport ufc is boring but steroid using junkies and trolls like you who come to boxing forums for what purpose?

[TMLT87]

1 boxer in the world makes more money than all of UFC fighter purses combined.

It's just economics man. More people pay for boxing.

By what metrics are more people paying for boxing though? iirc boxing does better live gates, while MMA does much much better on PPV. Merchandising clearly goes to MMA (video games and all that ****), i'd expect ESPN is paying far more for UFC content than Top Rank content too.

When you watch world class boxing your eyes immediately tell you that you're watching something special

Sure, i'm a boxing fan obviously, but i'm pretty sure most people who tune into the UFC and see stuff like Shogun/Hendo are like "holy **** this is incredible" too, hence why its grown so rapidly once it started getting proper exposure.

[nubianpiye]

By what metrics are more people paying for boxing though? iirc boxing does better live gates, while MMA does much much better on PPV. Merchandising clearly goes to MMA (video games and all that ****), i'd expect ESPN is paying far more for UFC content than Top Rank content too.



Sure, i'm a boxing fan obviously, but i'm pretty sure most people who tune into the UFC and see stuff like Shogun/Hendo are like "holy **** this is incredible" too, hence why its grown so rapidly once it started getting proper exposure.

Nah no one thinks it looks special it looks like two ****sexuals dry humping.

Simple question why have you come here to discuss this?

What are you hoping to achieve?

[TMLT87]

on multiple occasions contradicted your own initial statement by highlighting that boxing still surpasses mma but you are off the opinion that mma is catching up?

I said it has been bigger in America since post Floyd/Pac, and that while internationally boxing still has the edge, the gap is nowhere near as big as you think. Is that hard to understand?

the best ufc fighter had been caught in excess of four times taking steroids. Ida a joke sport. Big many miler got caught twice and was chased out of the sport ufc is boring

This is what I mean. The blind angry desperation to defend boxing even though you know the deal. We both know boxing is shady and corrupt as ****, 10x worse than MMA. We also both know that the average Joe with no horse in the race is typically going to find the UFC far more entertaining than boxing so calling it boring in comparison is hilarious. You're just flinging **** to see what sticks at this point.

[TMLT87]

Nah no one thinks it looks special it looks like two ****sexuals dry humping.

Simple question why have you come here to discuss this?

What are you hoping to achieve?

In case you havent noticed this is literally a thread about MMA overtaking boxing. You seem to think that in order to be a boxing fan you need to disagree with the claim and blindly defend boxing, even if its ****ing factually true. You can be a boxing fan and still understand what MMA does better, and acknowledge where the momentum has been going over the years.