Mayweather vs. Marquez Negotiations Stalled on Weight

[FLY TY]

I have, hundreds of them. That's the reason they give why he should be fighting people like Pac and Marquez rather than true Welters.

again dave, i've heard ppl say he's "closer in size" to pacman and marquez, than he is to margarito and mosley.......

but its hard to "gauge" floyd's natural weight.....i think we can all agree its not 154!

[Contenders]

agreed. but you dont think the 2 year layoff is enough? what more is pbf expected to give up? he moves down to 140, then not only is he STILL coming off a 2 year layoff, but he is ALSO giving up whatever size advantage he possesses.

I see your point, but just like Floyd is looking for advantages, so does Marquez. A two-year layoff is great, but the fact is Floyd is still a serious threat and Marquez is just looking to fight at a weight where he feels he'll have the best shot to win.

Overall too, I think the public in general will view a fight at 140 as a more serious competition than if it's held at 147. Whether that's right or wrong, I have a feeling that's the way it'll be looked at.

I guess we'll just have to see what happens though.

[FLY TY]

If Mayweather cant make 147 because he is a welterweight then theres no reason why he cant fight Mosley, Williams, or Cotto at 147

mosley and cotto don't wanna fight williams, no way in hell mayweather's gonna fight him in his first fight back...cotto already has fight in june, and my feeling is that, if this JMM mess isn't cleaned up soon, we may see pbf-mosley in july.

Not necessarily. JMM is a small lightweight...and he'd still be moving up one weight class to get this fight. Still a size advantage for Floyd, though I don't think it will matter much. Floyd UD12, 8 rounds to 4, IMO.

i say a fight at 145 is fine.....not 140 tho.

[QUISQUEYA]

I have, hundreds of them. That's the reason they give why he should be fighting people like Pac and Marquez rather than true Welters.

I have said it. many times.

I challenge you to look at the in-ring weights of all the recent fights at JWW.

By the way. Nobody has answered my question.

[QUISQUEYA]

WAIT.... Everybody stop and take a deep breath!!

OK. I would like for somebody knowledgeable to explain to me (like I'm a third grader) what the extra advantage is that Floyd gets if the fight is at 147 as opposed to 140.

We all agree that Floyd will be 148 pounds on fight night either way. Agreed? Please explain how FMJ would increase his advantage if the fight is at 147.

Thanks...and no flaming.

Seriously. Somebody please explain.

[Contenders]

I have said it. many times.

I challenge you to look at the in-ring weights of all the recent fights at JWW.

By the way. Nobody has answered my question.

I gave you my thoughts back on page 72:

It just all comes down to be being fair I think. Marquez should go up one weight class, and Mayweather should come down one. That's the way many other superfights have been made in the past. Mayweather would be asked to work a little harder to come down, where Marquez would have to properly train to be a strong 140-pounder...not just eat more or train less to put on the weight.

Remember, Marquez has only had 2 fights at 135, and even though he called out Floyd, he also made it clear from the get-go that he wouldn't go up more than one more weight class to fight him.

[SkillspayBills]

Hold on, I was about to write a comment but 75 ****ING PAGES? My goodness Floyd runs this ****.

[SkillspayBills]

Seriously. Somebody please explain.

Water weight. It's Floyd cutting water without murdering himself to get down to weight. He hasn't been at 140 in several years, it's hard to lose that weight when you haven't in a long time, just ask Oscar.

[SkillspayBills]

Floyd wants 147, Marquez wants 140 cut the losses and have it at 143-144.

[QUISQUEYA]

It just all comes down to be being fair I think. Marquez should go up one weight class, and Mayweather should come down one. That's the way many other superfights have been made in the past. Mayweather would be asked to work a little harder to come down, where Marquez would have to properly train to be a strong 140-pounder...not just eat more or train less to put on the weight.

Remember, Marquez has only had 2 fights at 135, and even though he called out Floyd, he also made it clear from the get-go that he wouldn't go up more than one more weight class to fight him.

Contender... you have not explained WHY there is an advantage. You are saying there is one at 147 vs. 140.

But WHY is that?

Here is my perspective, and why I'm asking (and why I think nobody can answer):

Marquez isn't fighting "at welterweight". He is merely fighting "a guy". Now, do you believe that there is an inherent disadvantage in Juan Manuel vs Floyd. THAT is the question.

Floyd will be 148 on fight night...right? What if Floyd said "i'll fight you at 154". Or 160. Or Heavyweight. Irrespective of the weight class, Marquez is still fighting THAT SAME GUY.

The ONLY argument that makes sense is to say "I think there's an inherent disadvantage between Marquez and Mayweather, so we should force Mayweather to possibly weaken himself to level the playing field."

For example: Joan Guzman has been damn near 150 in his SFW/LW fights. If Floyd fought him at welterweight, is Gooz being disadvantaged? Or should that fight be at 140. Why should it be at 140? They're the same size. So it shouldn't matter if the weight class was Cruiserweight. You have a 148 lb May fighting a 150 lb Gooz.


Right?

* this argument gets thrown out when you have a guy who gains weight after weigh-in.