Mayweather vs. Marquez Negotiations Stalled on Weight

[El Dominicano]

I think that JMM is an ATG, there's no doubt about that. I just don't think he can beat Mayweather though, not at this stage in his career.

I love the guy but people act like he's 25 and not 35 years old. Plus, he would be giving up size to Mayweather and a lot of speed.

I wouldn't mind seeing this fight but no where near 147, that would be too high for JMM. I think if the fight is made it has to be made at 130-135 at most.

JMM isn't an ATG, I'd like for him to become one though

[QUISQUEYA]

Water weight. It's Floyd cutting water without murdering himself to get down to weight. He hasn't been at 140 in several years, it's hard to lose that weight when you haven't in a long time, just ask Oscar.

So, the argument is "We must require Floyd to level the playing field by weakening himself or putting in extra work".

The argument is not the SIZE disparity. Nobody here has stated 'Floyd is much bigger than JMM".

So, we're talking about a handicap (golf term).

[J.B.moneY.]

Remember it was marquez who pushed for this fight in the first place...not floyd.....either marquez takes what floyd gives him...or marquez can walk imo

[Contenders]

Contender... you have not explained WHY there is an advantage. You are saying there is one at 147 vs. 140.

But WHY is that?

Here is my perspective, and why I'm asking (and why I think nobody can answer):

Marquez isn't fighting "at welterweight". He is merely fighting "a guy". Now, do you believe that there is an inherent disadvantage in Juan Manuel vs Floyd. THAT is the question.

Floyd will be 148 on fight night...right? What if Floyd said "i'll fight you at 154". Or 160. Or Heavyweight. Irrespective of the weight class, Marquez is still fighting THAT SAME GUY.

The ONLY argument that makes sense is to say "I think there's an inherent disadvantage between Marquez and Mayweather, so we should force Mayweather to possibly weaken himself to level the playing field."

For example: Joan Guzman has been damn near 150 in his SFW/LW fights. If Floyd fought him at welterweight, is Gooz being disadvantaged? Or should that fight be at 140. Why should it be at 140? They're the same size. So it shouldn't matter if the weight class was Cruiserweight. You have a 148 lb May fighting a 150 lb Gooz.


Right?

* this argument gets thrown out when you have a guy who gains weight after weigh-in.

I'd have to disagree. I believe that Marquez is indeed fighting a welterweight fighter and "at" welterweight. Floyd's been fighting at 147 (and once at 154) and has shown that he's more than comfortable at that weight. Marquez would be more at a disadvantage by going up to 147, than Floyd would be by dropping down to 140.

One only has to see what Floyd was capable of doing at welter to know what Marquez would risk by going all the way up to 147. I don't believe Marquez beats Mayweather in any weight, but if the fight is going to be made, then 140 makes the most sense...not that this fight really makes much sense to begin with.

[J.B.moneY.]

by the way whats this talk about marquez fighting morales?....is this a "publicity stunt" from marquez....or would it really happen?

[Contenders]

by the way whats this talk about marquez fighting morales?....is this a "publicity stunt" from marquez....or would it really happen?

I hope not. Although I'm sure it'd be a decent ticket-seller, what in the hell would Marquez gain from beating Morales at this stage?!?!?

Hopefully it's just a "publicity stunt" like you say.

[QUISQUEYA]

I'd have to disagree. I believe that Marquez is indeed fighting a welterweight fighter and "at" welterweight. Floyd's been fighting at 147 (and once at 154) and has shown that he's more than comfortable at that weight. Marquez would be more at a disadvantage by going up to 147, than Floyd would be by dropping down to 140.

One only has to see what Floyd was capable of doing at welter to know what Marquez would risk by going all the way up to 147. I don't believe Marquez beats Mayweather in any weight, but if the fight is going to be made, then 140 makes the most sense...not that this fight really makes much sense to begin with.

You're saying the "advantage" thing but never addressing the WHY.

Floyd is comfortable at 147 because he CAN. Because he chose to make his temporary home there. But at the end of the day, it's two guys close in size.

For example, Floyd and Zab are the same size. Right? Floyd can fight at WW. Zab really can't beat any of the WW's. So, is it Floyd's fault that he has an advantage? The advantage isn't SIZE ...it's SKILL.

My point is that Marquez and Mayweather are pretty close in size.

[Dave Rado]

If Mayweather cant make 147 because he is a welterweight then theres no reason why he cant fight Mosley, Williams, or Cotto at 147

Yup. He'll get no respect from any neutrals if he fights a Lightweight (who is really a blown up Super Featherweight) at 147. Only his die hard fans will want to see that fight, and all but his die hard fans would lose respect for him if he did that. It would damage his legacy. If he is a natural Welterweight now, he should beat the best Welterweights to prove he's the best. If he's a natural Jnr Welterweight, as most of his fans claim he is, then he should fight at Jnr Welterweight.

[Dave Rado]

I have said it. many times.

I challenge you to look at the in-ring weights of all the recent fights at JWW.

By the way. Nobody has answered my question.

The rules of boxing state that the weight you can fight at is determined by the weigh in weight. In ring weight is completely irrelevant.

[Contenders]

You're saying the "advantage" thing but never addressing the WHY.

Floyd is comfortable at 147 because he CAN. Because he chose to make his temporary home there. But at the end of the day, it's two guys close in size.

For example, Floyd and Zab are the same size. Right? Floyd can fight at WW. Zab really can't beat any of the WW's. So, is it Floyd's fault that he has an advantage? The advantage isn't SIZE ...it's SKILL.

My point is that Marquez and Mayweather are pretty close in size.

They are pretty close in size, I agree. But Mayweather's advantage (aside from skill I think) is that he's already tested the waters at welterweight and been successful. In fact, he's proven to be among the best at that weight. Marquez has just begun to establish himself at 135, so it'd be a big risk to go up all the way to a weight that Floyd has shown to be strong in.