Did Joe Calzaghe do enough to warrent a fight with Roy?

[Enemy/Friend]

******ed is not doing the obvious thing of explaining yourself properly stating that your talking retrospectively and a particular time, anything else is assumed as current and actual events, not hypothetical s.

Roy is also not really a gate keeper either, that's another odd description.

Again, if your going to say this is retro spective, the next basic step is WHEN exactly then?

Roy's career over MW, SMW, and LHW spanned years so this is still very vague.

I was joking about the gate keeper reference.... What effort did Calzaghe do to make the fight with Jones? He called him out in 2002 and then in 2003 he spoke about Crown ***els, what else? You should have a good prespective on this as you are a UK native.

[nathan_nall]

Yes it does....IF they are talking about contracts, things that went on during those years like who was widely considered a favorite, p4p, who was ducking who never fought anyone, who had prestige , and going on and on about it like they know what they were talking about it....when they've just googled one or two articles.

THATS what im talking about. I wasn't alive for the Frazier /Ali contract signing, so if I have a strong opinion and someone who was watching it then corrects me with research I'll defer to them. Good thing Joe fans know everything and won't bother doing anything like that.

With no proof they'll look you in the eye and say Roy ducked Joe in Roy's prime.

You can become an expert without being there.... otherwise there would be no Priests, Preachers, or History Teachers! Sometimes the words of others are all you have to go on. Even if something is going on right here and now in boxing, most of us still get that info via media outlets rather than FIRST HAND experience. Those same articles and news clippings are available for future generations to view and gain the same amount of knowledge we have.

[Kris Silver]

Exactly....... If he thought he could just sit home and put quotes in the local Wales news paper, it wasn't going to work.... Tarver worked his ass off for that fight and he was an American.

What does being an American have anything to do with deserving more in a worldwide sport?

[S A M U R A I]

What does being an American have anything to do with deserving more in a worldwide sport?

I wondered about that, too.



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[Enemy/Friend]

What does being an American have anything to do with deserving more in a worldwide sport?

It has everything to do with it.... You always talk about risking your title against Europeans frightens Americans out of fights. Apparently Jones felt the same way about Tarver.

[bsrizpac]

What does being an American have anything to do with deserving more in a worldwide sport?

What does "deserving a worldwide sport" even mean? Your insecurity is showing again.


He's saying that Joe fans always say that he did enough to warrant a fight with Roy in Roy's prime but Roy ducked him.

He's pointing out that Tarver had to work his ass off and go to press conferences, harrass Roy, get interviews, get the public on his side, and THEN he got his shot with Roy. He did everything, he showed he wanted a fight with Roy and he was AMERICAN and more well known to the public (therefore they sided with Tarver and clamored for a Roy fight). He's saying that Joe should have tried at LEAST as hard to get a fight with Roy if he really meant all the bull**** he was spewing.

That is all, no pro American bias intended.

[Enemy/Friend]

what does "deserving a worldwide sport" even mean? Your insecurity is showing again.


He's saying that joe fans always say that he did enough to warrant a fight with roy in roy's prime but roy ducked him.

He's pointing out that tarver had to work his ass off and go to press conferences, harrass roy, get interviews, get the public on his side, and then he got his shot with roy. He did everything, he showed he wanted a fight with roy and he was american and more well known to the public (therefore they sided with tarver and clamored for a roy fight). He's saying that joe should have tried at least as hard to get a fight with roy if he really meant all the bull**** he was spewing.

That is all, no pro american bias intended.

bingo was his name.............

[Kris Silver]

It has everything to do with it.... You always talk about risking your title against Europeans frightens Americans out of fights. Apparently Jones felt the same way about Tarver.

Oh dear. It's not worth debating with you any further after your catalogue of errors and slip ups like this showing serious bias, lack of intelligence or reasoning.

You've still not even said when your apparently talking about retrospectively even though I've presented you with 3 nice dumbed down era's of your guy...MW, SMW, and LHW. I tried spoon feeding you to help but even that didn't work, and that says it all.

[bsrizpac]

bingo was his name.............

Need I remind the fanboys that Tarver was BEATEN by Harding and lost his spot to fight Roy. Roy fought Harding instead.

Tarver did EVERYTHING to get that Harding rematch (don't care about the money) and KOed Harding to get his spot as the number 1 challenger.

What did Joe do when Hopkins went on to fight a mandatory in 2002?

Let's look at Joe's fights in 2002:


Byron Mitchell
Tocker Pudwill
Charles Brewer


Well, he was active we can give him that. LOL.

[Enemy/Friend]

Oh dear. It's not worth debating with you any further after your catalogue of errors and slip ups like this showing serious bias, lack of intelligence or reasoning.

You've still not even said when your apparently talking about retrospectively even though I've presented you with 3 nice dumbed down era's of your guy...MW, SMW, and LHW. I tried spoon feeding you to help but even that didn't work, and that says it all.

So you resort to petty name calling because you lack basic understanding. What did Calzaghe do in any specific date you want,to gauge Roy Jones and the publics attention?

Have you not talked about Americans and the risk/reward factor of losing to a European fighter?