Did Joe Calzaghe do enough to warrent a fight with Roy?

[THE REED]

Are these people ******ed? Charlie Zelenoff could get a shot at the current Jones.

lets not get ******...

[bsrizpac]

I read Reed's response and thought so, then read your opening post again. You don't make that clear at all, in fact everything suggests it was on actual events.

Anyways despite that sorry for such a response but that was the reason. If your going to talk retrospectively then it might help if you actually state that and also narrow down exactly when in history?

When Roy was at MW, when Roy briefly visited SMW, when Roy was at LHW?

At any point in Roy's career until he was KOed. Joe never did enough to fight him.

After Roy was KOed twice, who cares.

[nathan_nall]

This thread really shows how many people started watching boxing in the last few years . LOL

Luckily we live in a world of youtube and ESPN Classic. It doesn't matter if you watched Ali-Frazier live or a replay. Your perspective would be the same. Roy Jones has one of the most well chronicled careers ever. It's not hard to get caught up on the stuff you missed if you were too young to give a damn at the time. If someone became a fan yesterday, that doesn't make his opinion any less valuable than mine. I've been obsessed with boxing for 4 years now. Do I deserve a cookie?

[Enemy/Friend]

lets not get ******...

Ok maybe I took it too far with that one....

[Kris Silver]

******ed is not doing the obvious thing of explaining yourself properly stating that your talking retrospectively and a particular time, anything else is assumed as current and actual events, not hypothetical s.

Roy is also not really a gate keeper either, that's another odd description.

Again, if your going to say this is retro spective, the next basic step is WHEN exactly then?

Roy's career over MW, SMW, and LHW spanned years so this is still very vague.

[bsrizpac]

Luckily we live in a world of youtube and ESPN Classic. It doesn't matter if you watched Ali-Frazier live or a replay. Your perspective would be the same. Roy Jones has one of the most well chronicled careers ever. It's not hard to get caught up on the stuff you missed if you were too young to give a damn at the time. If someone became a fan yesterday, that doesn't make his opinion any less valuable than mine. I've been obsessed with boxing for 4 years now. Do I deserve a cookie?

Yes it does....IF they are talking about contracts, things that went on during those years like who was widely considered a favorite, p4p, who was ducking who never fought anyone, who had prestige , and going on and on about it like they know what they were talking about it....when they've just googled one or two articles.

THATS what im talking about. I wasn't alive for the Frazier /Ali contract signing, so if I have a strong opinion and someone who was watching it then corrects me with research I'll defer to them. Good thing Joe fans know everything and won't bother doing anything like that.

With no proof they'll look you in the eye and say Roy ducked Joe in Roy's prime.

[Enemy/Friend]

At any point in Roy's career until he was KOed. Joe never did enough to fight him.

After Roy was KOed twice, who cares.

Exactly....... If he thought he could just sit home and put quotes in the local Wales news paper, it wasn't going to work.... Tarver worked his ass off for that fight and he was an American.

[bsrizpac]

******ed is not doing the obvious thing of explaining yourself properly stating that your talking retrospectively and a particular time, anything else is assumed as current and actual events, not hypothetical s.

Roy is also not really a gate keeper either, that's another odd description.

Again, if your going to say this is retro spective, the next basic step is WHEN exactly then?

Roy's career over MW, SMW, and LHW spanned years so this is still very vague.

Dont' forget everyone, According to joe fans Roy is still really really good and a complete badass. Still easily top 10 LHW.

Hey um who was the last top 10 LHW he faced? When was that? What happened to him?

[americanme]

I think you could argue the fact... did Roy do enough to warrant a fight with Joe...

probably not... but it was what he had done throughout his career, that earned him the chance, now...

love this answer, pure unbiasedness.. (if that's a word)

[bsrizpac]

Exactly....... If he thought he could just sit home and put quotes in the local Wales news paper, it wasn't going to work.... Tarver worked his ass off for that fight and he was an American.

Uh correction, it DID work for the legion of Joe ****s and zombies. They believed it as gospel. Course they never watched boxing back then and if they did they only took his word or the word of some local paper over reality. But hey....