Who is Higher All Time Great? Pac or Floyd

[Benny Leonard]

maybe hes not responding cuz theres no answer

Just did. Not always sure when someone posts a response. Wonder if there is an e-mail alert that I can use???
Usually I just look through the thread

[MakeDamnSure]

Where did I say that?

If you are talking about the weight issue I said that there is an advantage to both fighters fighting at 147 for this fight. Instead of dehydrating 9 pounds for the weigh-in for a 140 pound weigh-in, and then rehydrating 9 pounds for fight-time...at 147 you would only have to piss out 2 pounds and then drink 32 oz Gatorade to rehydrate. To only have to lose 2 pounds an then put 2 pounds back on is much healthier and can keep the fighters fresher than the other.

Hatton is 43-0 undefeated at 140

Hatton is like 0-2 at 147

What healthier are you talking about?

[Brandish]

Hatton is 43-0 undefeated at 140

hatton was 42-0 at 140

1-0 at 147

and he still got his ass kicked and his "0" taken

[Benny Leonard]

Hatton is 43-0 undefeated at 140

Hatton is like 0-2 at 147

What healthier are you talking about?

Hatton beat Collazo. He did almost lose the fight though. It was his mistake for coming into that fight at 158 for fight time. He came in lighter against Floyd...his usual fight time weight when he fights in the JrWW division.

Stop looking at divisions and start looking at conditions of weight. Hatton may have lost to Floyd in the 147 division, but his weight was at his best fighting weight. A weight which he would have fought with had the fight been at 140. Hatton was the one that refused to fight Floyd twice at 140.
Floyd was the better fighter and personally, I haven't thought of Floyd as being as great as he used to be for 2-3 years.

"Healthier": Oscar? If so, Oscar at 154 was able to eat right and train right...plus he had Freddie Roach with him when he faced Floyd. At 154, Oscar's body was healthy where he could make the weight at 154 and then rehydrate to 164+
Freddie mentioned that not only was Oscar basically a fool for trying to be at 147 throughout his training camp, but in the end, it shrunk his stomach to the point he couldn't eat...and his body couldn't rehydrate properly...thus the 147 fight time weight instead of 157, which many thought it was going to be. I'm sure the better were like "****"



Ever see Bobby D. in "Casino"? That's how you want to be if you are going to place a bet. Know everything...know the inside information...and know your history.

[FasTHarD]

122 votes for Pacquiao

58 votes for chicken Mayweather

[MakeDamnSure]

Hatton beat Collazo. He did almost lose the fight though. It was his mistake for coming into that fight at 158 for fight time. He came in lighter against Floyd...his usual fight time weight when he fights in the JrWW division.

Stop looking at divisions and start looking at conditions of weight. Hatton may have lost to Floyd in the 147 division, but his weight was at his best fighting weight. A weight which he would have fought with had the fight been at 140. Hatton was the one that refused to fight Floyd twice at 140.
Floyd was the better fighter and personally, I haven't thought of Floyd as being as great as he used to be for 2-3 years.

"Healthier": Oscar? If so, Oscar at 154 was able to eat right and train right...plus he had Freddie Roach with him when he faced Floyd. At 154, Oscar's body was healthy where he could make the weight at 154 and then rehydrate to 164+
Freddie mentioned that not only was Oscar basically a fool for trying to be at 147 throughout his training camp, but in the end, it shrunk his stomach to the point he couldn't eat...and his body couldn't rehydrate properly...thus the 147 fight time weight instead of 157, which many thought it was going to be. I'm sure the better were like "****"



Ever see Bobby D. in "Casino"? That's how you want to be if you are going to place a bet. Know everything...know the inside information...and know your history.

You're the only person here who looks at the conditions of the weight. So what if Hatton refused to fight him at 140? The fact will never change that they fought at 147 where Collazo handled him before Floyd. The fact will never change that he was undefeated at 140 who beat Tszyu, Malignaggi and Castillo at that weight. Mayweather beat him outside of Hatton's advantage.

[Benny Leonard]

You're the only person who loks at the conditions of weight. So what if Hatton refused to fight him at 140? The fact will never change that they fought at 147 where Collazo handled him before Floyd. The fact will never change that he was undefeated at 140 who beat Tszyu, Malignaggi and Castillo at that weight.

I'm sure I'm not the only smart person in this world that looks at everything.

To me, which I pointed out at the time, it showed Hatton knew Floyd was too good for him then...so he waited. After Floyd fought Oscar, the lack-luster performance boosted Hatton's confidence into making the fight.

Either way, Hatton was at his best when he fought Floyd. Instead of weighing in at 158 by fight time which made him gas out quicker, he showed up at his best fighting weight...YEAH, that makes a difference.

Ah, Zahir Raheem handled Morales before Pac and Zahir fought Morales at a higher weight class where Morales felt healthier unlike against Pac in the rematches where he went to Auschwitz to train off the weight. It's a shame Freddie likes to win on the scales and admits it.

Hatton got the nod against Collazo. He was having trouble late, but did enough overall to win the fight on points.

[MakeDamnSure]

Bump..........

[Eaner0919]

I'm sure I'm not the only smart person in this world that looks at everything.

To me, which I pointed out at the time, it showed Hatton knew Floyd was too good for him then...so he waited. After Floyd fought Oscar, the lack-luster performance boosted Hatton's confidence into making the fight.

Either way, Hatton was at his best when he fought Floyd. Instead of weighing in at 158 by fight time which made him gas out quicker, he showed up at his best fighting weight...YEAH, that makes a difference.

It's a shame Freddie likes to win on the scales and admits it.

Hatton got the nod against Collazo. He was having trouble late, but did enough overall to win the fight on points.

for the most part I see your points about Hatton and while I disagree with your stance about him being in an optimal situation Dec 8th 2007 I do totally disagree with this:

Ah, Zahir Raheem handled Morales before Pac and Zahir fought Morales at a higher weight class where Morales felt healthier unlike against Pac in the rematches where he went to Auschwitz to train off the weight.

if you think Morales was healthy against Raheem you're nuts. The only thing it meant for Morales was that he didn't have to do roadwork in the hills like he usually does but he wasn't anywhere near his best because he didn't have to force himself to 130 it just meant he trained less and it showed.

[aether]

I think this whole thread was funny. U pac huggers are getting worst than those Cottobots and Margaritoes. Pacman is fun to watch, but Mayweather is timeless like a picasso. I've seen Pacman beaten and ****** up and hurt. i've seen Pacman fights and at times have not known who was gonna win. I've never seen Floyd hurt or even lose many rds. even the hater merchant sees him as the virtuoso. Who is the better fighter, just ask yourself honestly who u would bet your house and life on if they fought prime for prime......the answer u should come up with should be mayweather. Mosley thinks so, Roy thinks so, SRL think so, and even Hopkins thinks so. He is the great of this era!!!

your kinda like a turd that says a fart stinks