Who is Higher All Time Great? Pac or Floyd

[Da Hammer]

This is easily Pacquiao. From where he started out and moving up in weight each time and only gettin better n better. Winning championship in 5 different weight classes. The resume for Pac compared to Mayweather makes floyd look bad. and at this point i have no doubt that Pac beats Mayweather. You know what's most frustrating about all this? That all this **** about who is better than who could be easily solved by just settling it in the ring but of course Floyd Mayweather Jr decided to retire and "fight" wrestlers instead of settling it in the ring. Seriously i can understand people being a mayweather fan because of his talent but i cant understand how some people can defend his duckin of all the top welterweights. if your gonna gonna say ur the best of alltime then ****in beat the top dogs dont just run your mouth! Its like if Margarito retired without fighting Williams again or some other top welterweights that come around, i would knock him for it! I'm not a blind nut huggin fan. i want to see my favorites fight the best!

[Benny Leonard]

Floyd could beat Hatton at 140. That's an IF! The fact is the fight never happened. It seems that your nuthugging is worst than any nuthuggers on this board. The fact is they fought at the Welterweight. Floyd never fought Hatton at 140. Yeah he could beat but that's an IF. The fact will never change Collazo deal Hatton way before he fought Floyd. If you say 149 at fight time that's already Welterweight. You alread said it. Just don't say that it's like 140 because Floyd never cut down his weight to 140 to fight Hatton.

Hatton didn't had a hard time making 140. Weight matters Yes, but Size, height and Reach also matters.

Hatton never fought at 140 if you go by fight-time weight. How much does Hatton weigh come fight time for his JrWW bouts?

How much did he weigh come fight time at his Welterweight bout for Floyd?
How much did Floyd weigh?
And how much did he weigh again for his JrWW bouts?


The only weigh you can get around it is with the Freddie Roach method: You start by beating a fighter on the scales...which means, hopefully the opponent has to drain himself to make weight and can't rehydrate properly which gives you the advantage by fight time.

Is that what you mean?

Either way, he lost to Floyd Mayweather Jr.

What ever happened to fighting the Fighter?

Why fight the scales?

Shouldn't you want to fight the Fighter at his best; at his healthiest?

[FasTHarD]

Hatton never fought at 140 if you go by fight-time weight. How much does Hatton weigh come fight time for his JrWW bouts?

How much did he weigh come fight time at his Welterweight bout for Floyd?
How much did Floyd weigh?
And how much did he weigh again for his JrWW bouts?


The only weigh you can get around it is with the Freddie Roach method: You start by beating a fighter on the scales...which means, hopefully the opponent has to drain himself to make weight and can't rehydrate properly which gives you the advantage by fight time.

Is that what you mean?

Either way, he lost to Floyd Mayweather Jr.

What ever happened to fighting the Fighter?

Why fight the scales?

Shouldn't you want to fight the Fighter at his best; at his healthiest?

For a year now you still bitching about the weight issues... Go make yourself a new boxing rules and stop being idiot.....

[multivitamins]

Hatton never fought at 140 if you go by fight-time weight. How much does Hatton weigh come fight time for his JrWW bouts?

How much did he weigh come fight time at his Welterweight bout for Floyd?
How much did Floyd weigh?
And how much did he weigh again for his JrWW bouts?


The only weigh you can get around it is with the Freddie Roach method: You start by beating a fighter on the scales...which means, hopefully the opponent has to drain himself to make weight and can't rehydrate properly which gives you the advantage by fight time.

Is that what you mean?

Either way, he lost to Floyd Mayweather Jr.

What ever happened to fighting the Fighter?

Why fight the scales?

Shouldn't you want to fight the Fighter at his best; at his healthiest?

Give me some names where Hatton looked good when he cut his weight to 147.. The fact is SIZES are also important.. Floyd Mayweather already USED CUTTING HIMSELF to 147 and Fight guys there. Hatton USED TO CUT WEIGHT TO 140. SIZES MATTER WHEN YOU"RE USED TO THAT WEIGHT. When did Hatton had a hard time making 140? Did he look unhealthy against Malignaggi, Castillo and the Legend Kosta Tszyu? You're logic on fight night is ******ed when you don't cut up on that weight. Your logic is only for yourself. Are you sure Oscar was weight drained? Did Angelo Dundee, Beristain and Shaefer admitted he was in good shape during training.? Weight affects him but your opinion sucks compared to those who worked with Oscar when in Fact Mayweather didn't look good and was running against a SHOT Oscar. And DLH MADE THE STIPULATION OF THE WEIGHT not ROACH. I doubt if you understand with your ******ity Floyd nuthugging.

[Squabbles94806]

Mayweather = Money

Pacquiao = Fighting

[multivitamins]

Either way Hatton lost to Mayweather at 147..

Mayweather never fought Hatton at 140 which Floyd needs to cut his weight to 140 and That's a fact. Floyd beat Hatton who didn't look good at 147. Beating Hatton at 140 will make everyone look good.

[Benny Leonard]

Give me some names where Hatton looked good when he cut his weight to 147.. The fact is SIZES are also important.. Floyd Mayweather already USED CUTTING HIMSELF to 147 and Fight guys there. Hatton USED TO CUT WEIGHT TO 140. SIZES MATTER WHEN YOU"RE USED TO THAT WEIGHT. When did Hatton had a hard time making 140? Did he look unhealthy against Malignaggi, Castillo and the Legend Kosta Tszyu? You're logic on fight night is ******ed when you don't cut up on that weight. Your logic is only for yourself. Are you sure Oscar was weight drained? Did Angelo Dundee, Beristain and Shaefer admitted he was in good shape during training.? Weight affects him but your opinion sucks compared to those who worked with Oscar when in Fact Mayweather didn't look good and was running against a SHOT Oscar. And DLH MADE THE STIPULATION OF THE WEIGHT not ROACH. I doubt if you understand with your ******ity Floyd nuthugging.

What are you talking about and what don't you get?

Both Hatton and Floyd show up by fight time at 149 pounds...so they are actually above 147.

Cutting weight only has to do with fighting in a particular division. Fighters that fight at 140 pounds for the division, don't actually show up at 140 pounds...they rehydrate upwards.

You have a better chance of showing up "Flat" by fight time if you have to lose more weight, so, having the fight at 147 was acutally an advantage; you can show up healthy.


Oscar was weight drained at 147. He actually left that division about 7 years ago becaue he said he was having trouble making weight.
Freddie Roach even talked about the weight issue. Take it up with him.

[Eaner0919]

Pacquiao is clearly ahead IMO. Championships in 5 different weight classes just like Floyd except he didn't cherry pick the opposition while moving up in weight. Manny faced a Murderer's Row in opponents MAB twice, JMM twice, Solis, Larios, Morales thrice and Oscar in a fight all the experts favored Oscar. In addition he's performed much more spectacularly by getting KO's against the better fighters.

ahahaha

MAB- one good win one faded win
JMM- a highly controversial draw and a highly controversial SD
Solis- dude did you even know who Solis was prior to him fighting Manny? yeah
Larios- first time fighting at 130 and rocks Manny
Morales- a loss, a good win, and a very faded win
Oscar- I would say a good win considering the odds Manny faced but we all know that wasn't a healthy Oscar in there

[Benny Leonard]

Either way Hatton lost to Mayweather at 147..

Mayweather never fought Hatton at 140 which Floyd needs to cut his weight to 140 and That's a fact. Floyd beat Hatton who didn't look good at 147. Beating Hatton at 140 will make everyone look good.

So we are talking about "Division" loss?
OK, I guess if that helps you even though Hatton weighed the same weight as he does for his JrWW bouts...and weighed the same as Floyd Mayweather: 149 pounds.

The only difference there would have been had it been signed as a "JrWW" bout would be having the fighters cut weight just for the weigh-in...which is 140...but then, they would pack on the weight for fight time bringing them back up to 149. WOW, same weight as what they fought at for their bout at 147.

When Ricky fought Collazo, the thought he should do what other Welterweights do: Weigh-in weight: 147; Fight time weight: 157+

So, he Rehydrated 10+ pounds by fight time. Ricky added muscle for that fight. But, for the Floyd fight, he didn't make the same mistake. The plan was to show up at his usual fight-time weight for JrWW. So instead of 158 pounds in his fight with Collazo, Ricky showed up at 149 (or so I heard) for his bout with Floyd. Floyd also shows up at 149 for his fights at Welterweight.

[cortdawg25]

I think this whole thread was funny. U pac huggers are getting worst than those Cottobots and Margaritoes. Pacman is fun to watch, but Mayweather is timeless like a picasso. I've seen Pacman beaten and ****** up and hurt. i've seen Pacman fights and at times have not known who was gonna win. I've never seen Floyd hurt or even lose many rds. even the hater merchant sees him as the virtuoso. Who is the better fighter, just ask yourself honestly who u would bet your house and life on if they fought prime for prime......the answer u should come up with should be mayweather. Mosley thinks so, Roy thinks so, SRL think so, and even Hopkins thinks so. He is the great of this era!!!