Who is Higher All Time Great? Pac or Floyd

[nujabes77]

Ah...like it matters anyway to some of these posters. Pac never lost and was never knocked out in their mind

we fans do know about it, trust me. but what are you trying to say? what does that have to do with anything?


losing and getting knocked out is part of boxing, all boxer rise and fall

[multivitamins]

Ah, what didn't you understand with my other posts?

Floyd asked for the fight, TWICE, and was refused, TWICE at 140. Hatton had his chance, TWICE, to make the fight at 140. So Floyd kept on moving up to get to Oscar.

The fight was at 147 because fighters usually don't like to move back down; plus, in this case, Floyd had the belt at 147 so why fight for a smaller belt at 140? And, it makes Floyd the Champ going into the fight.

Like I said, there was no point in cutting weight since both fighters, by fight time, would not have been 140 anyway. They would have just showed up at the same weight they did for their 147 pound fight.

You're an idiot. You just said that your basis was Floyd beat Hatton at 140 and it was incredible because he beat Tszyu at that weight. I'll asked you again, Did Floyd cut down to 140? So What if Hatton refused Floyd twice? The fact is they never fought at 140. The fact is their fight happened at 147 were Hatton had a hard time dealing with(Collazo).

[FasTHarD]

That was great, very hilarious. hehehe...aaaah dear, this is getting a bit crazy.

...and on that note.....at least I got a laugh out of that post.



Have fun B.Leonard! I'm out of here, so, until next time.

Are you talking to yourself or your alt?

[nujabes77]

Roach had Pac using his right-hook for a bit of time now as well as the uppercut.

Diaz isn't an "A" class fighter and Oscar was dead.

When you have an "A" class fighter in front of you (that is alive) it looks different.

If JMM is still on top of his game and gets another crack at Pac; we will see if you are right. Maybe you are; maybe you aren't.

would call diaz an excelent boxer having achieved what he had

oscar wasn't dead, he couldn't find an answer and was confused. proves my point that he has troubles with southpaw/speedy out-fighters

i would love to see jmm fight a prime pac and win decisively this time around

[nujabes77]

Diaz isn't a "great" boxer. Great was what Morales used to be back in the day.

Great is what Duran was a lightweight.

Actually, Freddie basically admitted that he wouldn't put Manny in there with a Prime Oscar...which is why he took the fight.

you think he would make the same statement after seeing the outcome? lets say weight at 140-147?

[nujabes77]

bennyst and benny lenard, can i go to sleep now?

haha its 7 in the morning, you fuc kers keep me up


its all good thou, having a nice and healthy arguments is never bad

gn guys

[Benny Leonard]

You're an idiot. You just said that your basis was Floyd beat Hatton at 140 and it was incredible because he beat Tszyu at that weight. I'll asked you again, Did Floyd cut down to 140? So What if Hatton refused Floyd twice? The fact is they never fought at 140. The fact is their fight happened at 147 were Hatton had a hard time dealing with(Collazo).

LOL...so you really don't understand it.

If we go by fight time weight, Hatton is 149...just like Floyd...and just like most JrWW {140 pound division}

He was fighting FLOYD at 147; a former lightweight.

Ricky doesn't weigh 140 pounds by fight time, does he?

So what does the weight have to do with anything if he is showing up at the same weight he does for hs JrWW bouts against Floyd who was the same weight?


Ricky also had problems with Collazo, according to Team Hatton, because the 158 pounds Ricky showed up at for fight time was to much and it tired him out. Collazo was also bigger than Floyd. Floyd is who he fought.

It does matter that Hatton refused Floyd twice because it showed Hatton didn't want any part of him at that point. And it wasn't Floyd's fought he couldn't get the fight at 140 and beat him there. It wasn't until the lack-luster showing against Oscar, that Hatton wanted the fight.

[Benny Leonard]

you think he would make the same statement after seeing the outcome? lets say weight at 140-147?

Yeah, because Freddie already stated the reasons: Oscar couldn't pull the trigger and he basically showed up dead for the fight. He thought even before the fight happened, specifically based on the weigh-in day where Oscar weighed 145, that Oscar just killed his chances and that Pac only had to worry about the first few rounds and that was it.

Do you understand that Oscar had Zero energy to fight and because he was so dead, he couldn't even take a punch.

Go look at the fights against Shane at 147...and that was Shane on EPO and Steroids.

[Allucard]

These threads are always about who fought last and have they won. No real analytical value whatsoever. Floyd is the best fighter on this decade, the thing is, people forget. That's why we had 2 world wars and not just one.

[multivitamins]

LOL...so you really don't understand it.

If we go by fight time weight, Hatton is 149...just like Floyd...and just like most JrWW {140 pound division}

He was fighting FLOYD at 147; a former lightweight.

Ricky doesn't weigh 140 pounds by fight time, does he?

So what does the weight have to do with anything if he is showing up at the same weight he does for hs JrWW bouts against Floyd who was the same weight?


Ricky also had problems with Collazo, according to Team Hatton, because the 158 pounds Ricky showed up at for fight time was to much and it tired him out. Collazo was also bigger than Floyd. Floyd is who he fought.

It does matter that Hatton refused Floyd twice because it showed Hatton didn't want any part of him at that point. And it wasn't Floyd's fought he couldn't get the fight at 140 and beat him there. It wasn't until the lack-luster showing against Oscar, that Hatton wanted the fight.

Floyd could beat Hatton at 140. That's an IF! The fact is the fight never happened. It seems that your nuthugging is worst than any nuthuggers on this board. The fact is they fought at the Welterweight. Floyd never fought Hatton at 140. Yeah he could beat but that's an IF. The fact will never change Collazo deal Hatton way before he fought Floyd. If you say 149 at fight time that's already Welterweight. You alread said it. Just don't say that it's like 140 because Floyd never cut down his weight to 140 to fight Hatton.

Hatton didn't had a hard time making 140. Weight matters Yes, but Size, height and Reach also matters.