Who is Higher All Time Great? Pac or Floyd

[Benny Leonard]

pacquiao style/workrate and speed would be too awkward for the guy...

Were still talking about Diego vs. Pac?

If so, yeah, I can see Pac giving Diego trouble, but remember, it's Diego Corrales. The guy keeps coming and coming and if he hits Pac, which he will, it won't be good. One punch can knock the fighter out of the fight. Even Freitas was out-boxing him until he got tired from continuely moving...then Chico pounded him.

[El Dominicano]

Were still talking about Diego vs. Pac?

If so, yeah, I can see Pac giving Diego trouble, but remember, it's Diego Corrales. The guy keeps coming and coming and if he hits Pac, which he will, it won't be good. One punch can knock the fighter out of the fight. Even Freitas was out-boxing him until he got tired from continuely moving...then Chico pounded him.

I've always said Pac is GREAT but if ever faced against JLC or Chico he'd get K.O'd

[FasTHarD]

diaz is slow and a plodder; not that great to test Pac like the others.

Oscar was a corpse; not a good test.

I'm not sold on him being that much better, yet.

Baldomir was fast as Calderon now i get it...
Pacmans resume is too much for Floyd.. The only thing that Mayweather has is his "0"
That's why he ducked all his life fighting the best cuz he treasure his "0" rather than his world class joke resume....

[Benny Leonard]

Actually, if you think about it, it might not really be as you think it is. Just because someone disagrees with your opinion doesn't make them a hypocrite. I would say that someone who has one set of rules for one guy but another completely different set for another is closer to a hypocrite.

You're looking at all this as though I'm saying Pac is a bad fighter, which is way off track, but you can't see that because someone is not agreeing with what you're saying and not saying that your favourite might not just be the best fighter that ever walked the face of the earth.

Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them hypocritical. Let me put it this way, and you can go back and read what I wrote earlier. Right now I think Mayweather is a bit ahead of Pacquiao based on his wins, championship run and defenses, who he faced and how he won, and his overall loss/win record and divisional dominance/division titles held.

Pac has won titles from 112 to 135. Mayweather has won titles from 130 to 154. During those title runs Pac has lost twice, once by KO, and drawn twice whereas Mayweather has not lost yet. Now, this is the big bit, champions faced and beaten with records at time of fight/s and weight.

Twice actually.

[FasTHarD]

Actually, if you think about it, it might not really be as you think it is. Just because someone disagrees with your opinion doesn't make them a hypocrite. I would say that someone who has one set of rules for one guy but another completely different set for another is closer to a hypocrite.

You're looking at all this as though I'm saying Pac is a bad fighter, which is way off track, but you can't see that because someone is not agreeing with what you're saying and not saying that your favourite might not just be the best fighter that ever walked the face of the earth.

Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them hypocritical. Let me put it this way, and you can go back and read what I wrote earlier. Right now I think Mayweather is a bit ahead of Pacquiao based on his wins, championship run and defenses, who he faced and how he won, and his overall loss/win record and divisional dominance/division titles held.

Pac has won titles from 112 to 135. Mayweather has won titles from 130 to 154. During those title runs Pac has lost twice, once by KO, and drawn twice whereas Mayweather has not lost yet. Now, this is the big bit, champions faced and beaten with records at time of fight/s and weight.

Pacquiao:
Sasakul 31-1 W 112
Singsurat 18-0 L KO3 112
Ledwaba 33-1 W 122
Sanchez 31-9 D 122
Julio 44-3 W 122
Barrera 57-3 Wx2 126, 130
Marquez 42-2 D, W 126, 130
Morales 47-2 L, Wx2 130
Velasquez 42-10 W 130
Larios 56-4 W 130
Diaz 34-1 W 135
DLHoya 39-5 W 147 (no title)

Mayweather:
Hernandez 38-1 W 130
Manfredy 25-2 W 130
Vargas 40-6 W 130
Corrales 30-0 W 130
C. Hernandez 33-2 W 130
Chavez 35-1 W 130
Castillo 45-4 Wx2 135
Corley 28-2 W 140
Gatti 39-6 W 140
Mitchell 56-4 W 147
Judah 34-3 W 147
Baldomir 43-9 W 147
DLHoya 38-4 W 154
Hatton 43-0 W 147

Now, I'm not going to waste the time to go into where each guy was at in his career at the time of each fight 'cause that would take way too long and be much too boring.

Now, you can see Mayweather also has more one division dominance at 130 as well as all the other fights and that's not including his other title fights against guys that were not champion themselves.

This is not a pissing contest or some pathetic thing about trying to make a favourite look better than everyone else, because I like Pac a lot more than Mayweather, but, I think he had a better championship run, fought more champions at their prime weights and two undefeated champions as well as being unbeaten throughout his whole career.

In those alone Pac is 12-2-2, while Mayweather is 15-0-0. That does not include all title fights with everyone, these are only the fights against other title holders (current/future title holders).

The thing is, if anyone says either guy is way ahead of the other guy in All Time rankings then they are not looking at this rationally at all and are judging it on who their favourite fighter is, because it is simply impossible for either guy to be way ahead.

I have Mayweaher ahead because he is undefeated, fought more champions, dominated a single division and, in my opinion, fought more prime champions. That's it, no hate, no nothing, just a simple opinion based on looking at each guy, knowing their fights and whole careers.

Pacquiao fought the best in his division while Mayweather ducked his life....

Barrera, Morales,Marquez, Delahoya.. Those names >>>>Mayweathers resume...

[Benny Leonard]

Baldomir was fast as Calderon now i get it...
Pacmans resume is too much for Floyd.. The only thing that Mayweather has is his "0"
That's why he ducked all his life fighting the best cuz he treasure his "0" rather than his world class joke resume....

at 147+, yes, it was safety first with his "O," but under, hard to argue.
Note: I count Floyd vs. Hatton as a 140 fight. If I counted it as a true 147 fight, then I would have to say Floyd took risks since Hatton beat the King at 140, Tszyu, and Ricky was undefeated...Floyd knocked him out.

I considered the 147 dangerous fighters at the time to be Margarito, Cotto, and Williams.

[BennyST]

old pac can be hit, the peaking (diaz/oscar) pac, i dont know about that

@ DWiens421

peaking pac ko's catillio, believe it or not

What do you mean the 'peaking Pac'? You mean he suddenly got defensively brilliant overnight after fighting Marquez? No, he just looked ten times better against really slow guys that stand in front and couldn't get off. It's not hard when you're a lot faster. He got hit a lot against Marquez a few months before, but wait, let me guess....he wasn't peaking then right?




Wait until he fights another guy that is good. He gets hit, always has, always will. That won't change, he is an aggressive fighter that comes at you and against a good fighter that means he will get hit.

[multivitamins]

at 147+, yes, it was safety first with his "O," but under, hard to argue.
Note: I count Floyd vs. Hatton as a 140 fight. If I counted it as a true 147 fight, then I would have to say Floyd took risks since Hatton beat the King at 140, Tszyu, and Ricky was undefeated...Floyd knocked him out.

I considered the 147 dangerous fighters at the time to be Margarito, Cotto, and Williams.

Why are you basing it as a 140 fight? I thought you cried like a B?tch when Roach wants a catchweight of 143. You're a delusional Floyd nuthugger fan. If the Fight was at 140 then Floyd should have moved down to fight at Hatton's belt.. You're delusional Floyd fan. The fact is Floyd defended his 147 belt. Collazo already beat him way before Floyd did. You're making yourself a clown. Did Mayweather cut down to 140 to fight Hatton? You have no basis at all. Your basis is your ******ity.

[BennyST]

Twice actually.

No, that was before he won a title. I meant his record since he won a title, he had ...etc etc.

[BennyST]

Pacquiao fought the best in his division while Mayweather ducked his life....

Barrera, Morales,Marquez, Delahoya.. Those names >>>>Mayweathers resume...

Jesus christ man!

Did you just read that or skip past it cause you saw Mayweathers name and thought "Nup, Pac's better and Mayweather skipped everyone!"



At 147, 140, yes he did skip many of the best fighters, but before that he faced all the best and beat and cleaned out an entire division in 130. Pac only fought the best guys at 126, 130 and didn't actually fight everyone. Only Barrera, Morales, and Marquez.

There were a hell of a lot of champs he didn't face at 130 and since then he hasn't faced anyone of note in the division he's supposedly in. You have to actually look at them properly. Did Pac ever clean out a division the way Mayweather did at 130?