Roach: We'll Fight Mayweather at Catchweight!!

[Benny Leonard]

You want Pacquiao to moved up from 130 to 154 and fight Oscar?

Floyd was at 147 for a period of time.. Pacquiao was at 130 and had only 1 fight at 135.. Know the difference dumbass

Pac wouldn't have to move up in weight...he could show up at any weight he wanted as long as it didn't cross 154 for the weigh-in.

I wanted Oscar healthy; yes. That was the point of Oscar vs. Floyd at 154.

I don't want to see drained fighters. I don't want to waiste my money.

There have been fighters in the past that have moved up and fought much bigger fighters. Pac could be a throw-back and do it.


Chris Byrd fought the Klits.
David Haye wants to fight the Klits.

Roy fought Ruiz

Sam Langford fought Johnson and McVey.

Choynski fought Jeffries.

So many to talk about. Duran is on this list as well.

[Benny Leonard]

As he's stated many times Manny will fight anyone at any weightclass. I doubt the weight matters as much to Manny as it does to Roach. He's only protecting his fighter. Other than having the benefit of being active this year and slightly younger...I fail to see what advantages Pacquiao would have over Mayweather other than being able to dictate the weightclass they fight in

Except another 147 bout against Floyd?

I don't think it matters to Pac either; it's Freddie. Pac just fights...but maybe it's a way for Freddie to boost Pac's confidence.

For the last bit: can you read my previoius posts by pulling them up or do you want me to write it out again?
Maybe I'll just write it on a new thread.

[NoFear24]

Considering Manny could no longer make 135, his new weight was at 140. He showed up at his previous fight (prior to Oscar) around 145 by fight time...which is what some posters bitched about. They noted Manny's weight and Floyd's weight by fight time...given the difference in divisions they were fighting.

Oscar coming down in weight is a bigger disadvantage than Manny moving up. Why? because Oscar hadn't made that weight in 7 years and moved up past 147 for a reason; he had trouble making it. So what happened when he got himself to make the weight for Pac; he killed himself. Manny moving up wasn't really that much. He was 145 by fight time in his previous fight and put on a few pounds for this fight by fight time. Not that big of a deal.

Freddie called; remember?

And what did Freddie say about Oscar's weight afterwards?



Floyd hasn't fought at 140 for about 3 years. By fight time, it could be 4.

I don't think it will be exactly at 140, more like 143 or higher. maybe 142. Fighters make weigh all the time and sometimes no one is at 100 percent. Making weight always takes something out of anybody. Its part of the sport.

How did Oscar kill himself to make weight. He didn't look drain to me. He already had a good sweat coming into the fight which was a good indication that he was in great shape. It was more of Manny being quick and elusive than Hoya being weight drained. Hoya was trying to hit Pac with huge shots in the first round, but as it showed in the slow motion replay Pac was slipping and doging the punches and turning Oscar most of the time. Oscar is over the hill but he wasn't shot, it has more to do with Manny and his style. Put a fighter that stands in front of Oscar and boxes while in front, and Oscar will do good. It was Manny style more than Oscar. A prime Oscar would be a different story though.

[shadeyfizzle]

Pac wouldn't have to move up in weight...he could show up at any weight he wanted as long as it didn't cross 154 for the weigh-in.

I wanted Oscar healthy; yes. That was the point of Oscar vs. Floyd at 154.

I don't want to see drained fighters. I don't want to waiste my money.

There have been fighters in the past that have moved up and fought much bigger fighters. Pac could be a throw-back and do it.


Chris Byrd fought the Klits.
David Haye wants to fight the Klits.

Roy fought Ruiz

Sam Langford fought Johnson and McVey.

Choynski fought Jeffries.

So many to talk about. Duran is on this list as well.

Wtf??? Pacquiao started his career at 106!!!!

He got his 1st world title at 112 and skipped all the way to 122. He moved up to 126 to beatdown Barrera. He moved up from 126 to 130 to fight Morales with no tuneup fight in between. He moved up from 130 to 135 to fight David Diaz who began his career at 140. Beat Oscar at 147. That's damn near a 50lb span.

[Espada]

Pac wouldn't have to move up in weight...he could show up at any weight he wanted as long as it didn't cross 154 for the weigh-in.

I wanted Oscar healthy; yes. That was the point of Oscar vs. Floyd at 154.

I don't want to see drained fighters. I don't want to waiste my money.

There have been fighters in the past that have moved up and fought much bigger fighters. Pac could be a throw-back and do it.


Chris Byrd fought the Klits.
David Haye wants to fight the Klits.

Roy fought Ruiz

Sam Langford fought Johnson and McVey.

Choynski fought Jeffries.

So many to talk about. Duran is on this list as well.

They are champions and Title holders out there.. Know the Difference DAMN!

Even a 44 year old Hopkins fought Pavlik at a catchweight of 170 because it will be hard for Pavlik to moved up 2 division..

You don't know a damn thing.. How can haye be a Heavyweight champion if he fought Klits at a catchweight?

Alright, tell Valero to move up at 154 and fight Vernon Forrest!

[boxing_great]

this fight has to be at 140..

[BlackHat]

Except another 147 bout against Floyd?

I don't think it matters to Pac either; it's Freddie. Pac just fights...but maybe it's a way for Freddie to boost Pac's confidence.

For the last bit: can you read my previoius posts by pulling them up or do you want me to write it out again?
Maybe I'll just write it on a new thread.

defend your Idol here:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229769&page=3

Floyd Sr: "De La Hoya Can Beat Pacquiao With Me"

[Benny Leonard]

They are champions and Title holders out there.. Know the Difference DAMN!

Even a 44 year old Hopkins fought Pavlik at a catchweight of 170 because it will be hard for Pavlik to moved up 2 division..

You don't know a damn thing.. How can haye be a Heavyweight champion if he fought Klits at a catchweight?

Alright, tell Valero to move up at 154 and fight Vernon Forrest!

Different ways of thinking and different sense of humor.

I'll explain, again:

Pac fought Oscar where? 147, right?

What was Pac's fighting weight by fight time for his previous fight? around or at 145, right?

Where does Floyd fight at...147, right?
What's Floyd's weight by fight time...about 147-149.

Where was Pac's for this fight by fight time...147-149...yes, no?

When a fighter fights at 140, JrWW, where does that fighter tend to be around for weight come fight time? Would you say about 147+?

And why if Pac can fight Oscar at 147, can't he fight Floyd at 147???

Pac is now fighting at 140...so it would be one Division. And as I explained, he showed up by fight time around or at 145 for his previous fight by fight time, and his last fight that just past, he fought at Welter...so, he wouldn't be actually moving up...he would be staying put.


For Haye: THINK about the topic, and then think about what I said.

Give you a hint: One fighter doesn't care and the other does.

[Benny Leonard]

defend your Idol here:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229769&page=3

Floyd Sr: "De La Hoya Can Beat Pacquiao With Me"

My Guy has passed away; it was Joe Louis. Sorry about the disappointment.

I'm a boxing fan.

[Benny Leonard]

Wtf??? Pacquiao started his career at 106!!!!

He got his 1st world title at 112 and skipped all the way to 122. He moved up to 126 to beatdown Barrera. He moved up from 126 to 130 to fight Morales with no tuneup fight in between. He moved up from 130 to 135 to fight David Diaz who began his career at 140. Beat Oscar at 147. That's damn near a 50lb span.

Freddie said Pac was a boy fighting back then...he is a mature Man now...a Man that actually can afford to eat food and can't make 135 anymore.

Remind me; how many losses does Pac have and how many times has he been knocked out in those lower weight divisions?

I think SRR was a lightweight in the amatuers and even started his career there. Beat Willie Pep actually in the amatuers from what I hear.

SRR climbed all the way up to Light-Heavyweight by the way.