Roach: We'll Fight Mayweather at Catchweight!!

[BlackHat]

My Guy has passed away; it was Joe Louis. Sorry about the disappointment.

I'm a boxing fan.

apology accepted. so what's your thoughts about Sr.'s statement?

[Espada]

Different ways of thinking and different sense of humor.

I'll explain, again:

Pac fought Oscar where? 147, right?

What was Pac's fighting weight by fight time for his previous fight? around or at 145, right?

Where does Floyd fight at...147, right?
What's Floyd's weight by fight time...about 147-149.

Where was Pac's for this fight by fight time...147-149...yes, no?

When a fighter fights at 140, JrWW, where does that fighter tend to be around for weight come fight time? Would you say about 147+?

And why if Pac can fight Oscar at 147, can't he fight Floyd at 147???

Pac is now fighting at 140...so it would be one Division. And as I explained, he showed up by fight time around or at 145 for his previous fight by fight time, and his last fight that just past, he fought at Welter...so, he wouldn't be actually moving up...he would be staying put.


For Haye: THINK about the topic, and then think about what I said.

Give you a hint: One fighter doesn't care and the other does.

De La Hoya made the stipulatiosn of fighting Pac at 147.. Contract, Venues, Purse, Weight Everything was Oscar's rules..

If Mayweather could fight at a catchweight then what? As long as he can make weight.. Even a 44 year old Hopkins need to fight at a catchweight..

Weight before the fight and fight night is differece.. If Floyd wants to be 160 at fight night, no one gives ****.. it's the Boxer's choice on what weight they want on fight night..

[Benny Leonard]

I don't think it will be exactly at 140, more like 143 or higher. maybe 142. Fighters make weigh all the time and sometimes no one is at 100 percent. Making weight always takes something out of anybody. Its part of the sport.

How did Oscar kill himself to make weight. He didn't look drain to me. He already had a good sweat coming into the fight which was a good indication that he was in great shape. It was more of Manny being quick and elusive than Hoya being weight drained. Hoya was trying to hit Pac with huge shots in the first round, but as it showed in the slow motion replay Pac was slipping and doging the punches and turning Oscar most of the time. Oscar is over the hill but he wasn't shot, it has more to do with Manny and his style. Put a fighter that stands in front of Oscar and boxes while in front, and Oscar will do good. It was Manny style more than Oscar. A prime Oscar would be a different story though.

So why bother trying to make weight for Pac vs. Floyd?
Just have them skip it by having the fight at 147. Simple; my thoughts exactly; have "healthy" fighters.


One poster summed it up when he said Oscar looked like Skeletor right after the weigh-in.

He killed himself to make weight. When was the last time Oscar fought at 147 and when was the last time Oscar showed up for a fight at 147 by fight time? That's sick.

Wasn't there rumors that he was getting his ass kicked in sparring?
Which may be the reason why was humble after the fight and his wife wasn't surprised.

[shadeyfizzle]

Freddie said Pac was a boy fighting back then...he is a mature Man now...a Man that actually can afford to eat food and can't make 135 anymore.

Remind me; how many losses does Pac have and how many times has he been knocked out in those lower weight divisions?

I think SRR was a lightweight in the amatuers and even started his career there. Beat Willie Pep actually in the amatuers from what I hear.

SRR climbed all the way up to Light-Heavyweight by the way.

Doesnt take away the fact that Pacquiao would still be the smaller guy if he fought Mayweather...in every sense of the word. Regardless of what weight they fought. So you HAVE to take that into account

[Benny Leonard]

De La Hoya made the stipulatiosn of fighting Pac at 147.. Contract, Venues, Purse, Weight Everything was Oscar's rules..

If Mayweather could fight at a catchweight then what? As long as he can make weight.. Even a 44 year old Hopkins need to fight at a catchweight..

Weight before the fight and fight night is differece.. If Floyd wants to be 160 at fight night, no one gives ****.. it's the Boxer's choice on what weight they want on fight night..

Your avoiding the main points.

Why have the fight at 140 if it is only a charade of where the fighters will be at by fight time? Why take a chance with fighters health...especially one that hasn't had to "make weight" in some time...and is over 30 and has been inactive.

Why do you need it?


Where was Pac's last fight and how much did he weigh come fight night?

Where was Floyd's last fight and hwo much did he weigh come fight time?

[Benny Leonard]

Doesnt take away the fact that Pacquiao would still be the smaller guy if he fought Mayweather...in every sense of the word. Regardless of what weight they fought. So you HAVE to take that into account

Both fighters would be healthy at 147 because the weight would have to be taken off.

You don't need to have a fight at 140 if neither fighter is going to be 140 by fight time.

Freddie is only doing it to simply get Floyd to drop weight because it will hurt him more than Manny. It can at least put it in Floyd's mind that he has to make weight and Freddie is hoping it gets into Floyd's head like it did Oscar.




This is still why I love the HW division and fighters like Chris Byrd. They don't *****.

[Espada]

So why bother trying to make weight for Pac vs. Floyd?
Just have them skip it by having the fight at 147. Simple; my thoughts exactly; have "healthy" fighters.


One poster summed it up when he said Oscar looked like Skeletor right after the weigh-in.

He killed himself to make weight. When was the last time Oscar fought at 147 and when was the last time Oscar showed up for a fight at 147 by fight time? That's sick.

Wasn't there rumors that he was getting his ass kicked in sparring?
Which may be the reason why was humble after the fight and his wife wasn't surprised.

If mayweather can fight at a catchweight and approve himself then why not? If he can't fight then don't accept..

Oscar hose the stipulation of the weight.. he never complained about weight.. He was already 147 1 1/2 months before the fight.. His team , veryone never complained about it.. In fact Pacquiao is an underdog.. No one even your dog and your rabbit chose DLH to KO Pacquiao in 3 rounds!

And yeah your right Margarito should call out all the 130 pounders and let them move up at 147 instead of a catchweight.

[Benny Leonard]

apology accepted. so what's your thoughts about Sr.'s statement?

The one about he could train Oscar to beat Pac?

If so; if he takes the fight at 154 he has a chance ...depending on where Oscar is at mentally and now physically since this had to take something out of him...so he may be gone. I wouldn't be surprised if Oscar's confidence is totally shot and once Pac charges, he caves. The fight should have been at 154, with Floyd Sr. and I would have given Oscar a solid shot.

Now; and maybe Floyd Sr. is an angel, but, I would say, Floyd needs to find Dr. Emmit Brown.

[Benny Leonard]

If mayweather can fight at a catchweight and approve himself then why not? If he can't fight then don't accept..

Oscar hose the stipulation of the weight.. he never complained about weight.. He was already 147 1 1/2 months before the fight.. His team , veryone never complained about it.. In fact Pacquiao is an underdog.. No one even your dog and your rabbit chose DLH to KO Pacquiao in 3 rounds!

And yeah your right Margarito should call out all the 130 pounders and let them move up at 147 instead of a catchweight.

His team also accepted to take the fight at 147...that says something.

Freddie called Oscar shot and explained what he thought before the fight and after the fighter...specifically with the weight issue and why Oscar was flat that night. Take it from him.


Again, can you answer just one question. If Pac fought Oscar at 147, why can't he fight Floyd there?

[shadeyfizzle]

Both fighters would be healthy at 147 because the weight would have to be taken off.

You don't need to have a fight at 140 if neither fighter is going to be 140 by fight time.

Freddie is only doing it to simply get Floyd to drop weight because it will hurt him more than Manny. It can at least put it in Floyd's mind that he has to make weight and Freddie is hoping it gets into Floyd's head like it did Oscar.




This is still why I love the HW division and fighters like Chris Byrd. They don't *****.

What the hell is this discussion about again and who exactly is bitching?? Everyone has different goals and they put up with whatever obstacles they have to in order to achieve it. Chris Byrd could have been an extremely dominant light heavyweight but it was his childhood dream to be world heavyweight champion. So what was he supposed to do?? Living with reality and bitching are 2 completely different things. Im certain Chris Byrd complained about fighting much bigger dudes at 1 point or another privately.

So if a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight gets made...it would be Floyd challenging Manny, and not the other way around. So if Mayweather wants the fight to happen....it would more than likely have to be on Pacquiao's terms...which would include weight and venue. Which Floyd would have to live with if he wants the fight to happen. Otherwise Floyd can either stay retired or fight someone else because you've got to believe that the majority of the boxing press now think that Floyd would not get his #1 p4p status automatically even if he were to come back