Roach: We'll Fight Mayweather at Catchweight!!

[Pugilistic™]

I'm curious to what weight they are looking for ??

i think mayweather could make 140 but i don't see the fight happening there.

[MaYaN_SuN]

very tasteless , mayan.

lol Nah tasteless is what Roach and Manny can get away with, what I said was just awesome.

[Pugilistic™]

lol Nah tasteless is what Roach and Manny can get away with, what I said was just awesome.

yeah no it wasn't.

[Benny Leonard]

i understand what you're saying.

freddie is doing what is best for his fighter though. he got a lot of **** from a lot of people but i seriously think freddie is a good guy and good trainer/advisor.

to me at 140 or 147 makes no difference. (i think floyd would beat manny in either weight division)

For Manny it is a great move...but to the fight fan, ME, it is ****. I want to pay for two healthy fighters not the possibility of one fighter "live" and the other either "half-dead" or "dead."

Manny already has certain advantages over this version of Floyd and I spoke about it in previous posts. Why continue to go further...Freddie needs to have some self respect at the end of the day.

[Benny Leonard]

Pacquiao's 1st world title at 112 was a lineal title

Pacquiao should be a 5 division champion today because when he beat Barrera he was the lineal champion at 126 despite giving up his belt.

Lineal title at 130 when he beat Marquez earlier this year.

So to recap he's currently 3 division lineal champ

Hatton is currently the lineal 140 champion.

If Pacquiao beats hatton CONVINCINGLY...then it will completely overshadow Floyd's beatdown of Hatton(sloppy seconds or not) because it's at Hatton's preferred weight of 140 and for physical hardware as well as making Pacquiao the only 4 division lineal champion in the history of the sport. Doing so will definitely put him in the top 10 greatest of all time in the opinions of many boxing historians.

To be honest, I considered the fight between Hatton vs. Floyd to be a 140 fight without the charade of the weigh-in. Hatton turned down Floyd twice at 140 so it never gave Floyd the chance to make the fight at 140. Both Floyd and Hatton showed up around the same weight by fight time; which was their usual Jr.WW fight time weight.

So Hatton lost his Throne at 140 all politics aside. The Crown is up in the air.

It's why Lennox Lewis basically said unless Hatton can beat Floyd, he should retire; he's not the Champion and will always know it.

It's why I say since Pac made the move at 140, just go after Floyd...but of course I protested the 140 decision because of where Floyd is at now....so, have the fight at 147 and no fighter has to drain themselves of the weight for the weigh-in. The P4P title will be on the line.

[NoFear24]

Yeah, I acutally think RIGHT NOW, Floyd may have a bit of trouble. I think it was Roger that said Floyd can't make 140 for the weigh-ins, which is why he would only fight at 147 now. Floyd's all muscle so any weight lost, would be draining. He's to old for that ****. Any fighter over 30 especially, will start to have problems. It's why Pac moved up from 135; Freddie wants him to be healthy.

Seriously, do you understand my point that there is no point in making a fighter drain weight just for the weigh-in when both fighters will be at Welterweight anyway by fight time?

Now, if Freddie wants to put in the contract that both fighters can't be above a certain weight that comes under 147; I would say "**** You Freddie."

Just FIGHT the FIGHT in the RING; not on the Scales.

I really don't get why it's so hard to understand.

It has NO effect on Manny since he shows up to fights at 147+ and so does Floyd. NO WEIGH-INS just for the charade of it all. I want to see both fighters healthy. It prevents excuses with weight issues.



ROY BECAME SHOT BECAUSE OF THE WEIGHT LOSS. Did you see the first Tarver fight? He reminded me of that scene in Back To The Future when Marty looked at the picture of his family and they started to fade. That was Roy. The Scene where Marty looked and his brother was gone; that was Roy in the second fight.

Exactly my point. Floyd is not coming back to fight no one else but Pac. He knows its a very winnable fight for him, which is the reason why he didn't fight Marg, Cotto, or even a Paul williams. Too much risk for his legacy. Same exact reason Oscar went after Manny. The other fights was just too much risk with less rewards.

Roy pulled out his biggest victory and showed his heart and greatness in that fight. Against all odd, making the weight losing all that muscle, he still showed his greatness and found a way to win. That was Roy's last hurrah. Everything from there was down hill.

Floyd is not in Roys Position. He is still very fresh. His last fight he weight around 145 during weigh in. Thats nothing for Floyd like I said. He can make weight easily at 140 to 145 without draining himself. He walks around 154 or 160, he still has some fat to lose anyways so thats no problem for him. Pac wants to fight in May or June so he has plenty of time to get back in shape.

Pac is naturally the smaller fighter so its only natural that Freddy would want Floyd to work a bit to make weight. Manny just came up from fighting at 135. He weight only 142 during weigh in. Manny is a small man and Floyd is still a big man compared to Manny. They would want this at a fair 143 to 145. 145 is what Floyd weighed his last fight, so it should be no problem for him if he starts to train again.

Height Manny is like 5'6 with a 67 inch reach and Floyd is like 5'8 with a 72 inch reach advantage. You got to give Pac some kind of advantage when your fighting the guy with the most advantage physically. Thats all their is too it. Floyd will be fine making 142 to 145 like he did before. Hes still in great shape and hasn't let himself go like some fighters such as Hatton between fights.

[shadeyfizzle]

To be honest, I considered the fight between Hatton vs. Floyd to be a 140 fight without the charade of the weigh-in. Hatton turned down Floyd twice at 140 so it never gave Floyd the chance to make the fight at 140. Both Floyd and Hatton showed up around the same weight by fight time; which was their usual Jr.WW fight time weight.

So Hatton lost his Throne at 140 all politics aside. The Crown is up in the air.

It's why Lennox Lewis basically said unless Hatton can beat Floyd, he should retire; he's not the Champion and will always know it.

It's why I say since Pac made the move at 140, just go after Floyd...but of course I protested the 140 decision because of where Floyd is at now....so, have the fight at 147 and no fighter has to drain themselves of the weight for the weigh-in. The P4P title will be on the line.

All politics aside Hatton is still the lineal 140 champ. He beat kostya tzsyu for it and has never lost at that weight. And as is the custom for every champion in history....the title remains theirs until it is taken from them or they retire. Paulie Malignaggi despite hitting like a 12yr old girl made a solid case time after time that he was the only fighter in the division that had a chance of beating Hatton. Hatton dismantled him. As diminished a fighter as he is today...he'd still be favored in a unification bout against any other 140lb title holder.

[S A M U R A I]

e wouldn’t fight Mayweather (if he opts to come out of retirement) at 147. We might be willing to at a catch weight but not at 147," Roach said.

Roach also said it would be too difficult for the negotiations because Floyd will ask for a lot of money..

http://www.mb.com.ph/SPRT20081209143122.html

Exactly what I was saying yesterday -- "Manny won't fight Floyd at 147 -- no way."



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[S A M U R A I]

So Manny can fight a 154 pounder at 147lbs, so long as he drains himself to skeletal status. Now they want Floyd to do the same?

They should do it Manny's terms, not Floyd's. Manny is the active fighter. Floyd is retired. Why should he get his own way?



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[Benny Leonard]

They should do it Manny's terms, not Floyd's. Manny is the active fighter. Floyd is retired. Why should he get his own way?

because it is respect for a 30+ year old fighter, that has been inactive for a year, and by fight time, may be close to two...and was the P4P King when he left.

So make the fight fair and don't try to steal it. Plus, no telling where Floyd is at.

Leonard came back off a two year layoff and it hurt him...he won, but he was knocked on his ass and didn't feel he fought at his best, so he retired. Of course he would come back out of retirement and then come back to squeak by a faded Hagler...but he had to fight a faded Hagler and fight a certain way to win.

I think Pac should retire within the next two years before he fades...even though he is still in his Prime and very active...which is always good. But go out on top.