Roach: We'll Fight Mayweather at Catchweight!!

[Vladimir303]

Nice strategy from Roach. They're trying to suck the life out of Mayweather hoping he comes in weak like Oscar.


However it wouldn't work, Floyd has no trouble losing pounds and skills pay the bills, not weight. Especially when it's against a smaller fighter who campaigned at 130 a few months ago.

144-ish should be the catchweight.

[intoccabile]

No, I do understand it, but you're missing the point. Years ago this wouldn't even be a discussion because fighters actually fought on a regular basis. When you have a guy as active as Manny taking tough fights back to back to back, imo, all stipulations should be in favor of him.

I dont see why floyd should be able to come out of retirement and be able to get a fight with the man on top right now at a weight that best suits him. Manny isn't asking for floyd, it's the other way around. If you want him, then come down and get him.

We saw what happened to pavlik when he moved to 166 to fight Taylor 2. Completely different fighter than at 160. Then 170 for BHOP. Even though pavlik is usually around there come fight night, it still hindered his performance.

If mayweather wants Pacman he should have to come down and get him, not make pacman go up again.

[Espada]

Let me explain:

Freddie said Manny weighed 147 for the Diaz fight; that was at 135, yet he wasn't 135 come fight time; he was 147. 147 isn't 140 either, right? 147 is welterweight. So if we didn't have to drain fighters for the weigh-in, where would they be fighting? Manny would be Welter, and so would Floyd. Of course, the likes of Margarito would be up towards Middle.

So making the fight at 147 is simply saying, no need to drain these fighters for the weigh-in since they will try to rehydrate back up to Welter/147 come fight time.

So, Manny isn't moving up. He can have his next fight at 140 again except next time he'll have to make weight/drain himself for the weigh-in...then rehydrate.

I'm saying skip the draining and just keep them hydrated.

Who gives a Damn in what weight they want after night? Boxer dehydrates 10 lb- 15 lb - 5 lb..

Who gives a DAMN?

[Bogler]

I'll explain.

Floyd beat Hatton so fighting Hatton is less important to Manny's legacy.
People say Hatton is still the Man at 140, yet, he turned down Floyd twice at that weight so Floyd had no shot at being the "Man" at 140. Floyd moved up. The fight eventually happened but at 147. People claimed that it was the 147 pound division that gave a disadvantage to Ricky and that's why he lost. Both Floyd and Ricky weighed about 149 by fight time. Where do most, especially these two fighters, show up at by "Fight-Time" for their "140" pound bouts? They show up at around 149, like Ricky does, after they rehydrate. So, it isn't really a 140 pound bout, is it? If it was, these fighters would weigh, 140 pounds on fight night. Both Floyd and Ricky were basically rehydrated 140 pounds, except, they didn't have to bother with the charade of draining the water weight for the weigh-in.

Understand now?

It was really a 140 pound fight except there was no weight-drain fighters for the weigh-in. They skipped it and just showed up at their rehydrated weight.


For Pac: Since Pac is now officially a 140 pound fighter because he couldn't make 135 anymore, I said he should be looking for the "Man" and who is that, it's Floyd, not Ricky. But since even Manny has to weight-drain for his 140 pound bouts now, which is why he shows up at 147 for his 135 pound bouts, there is no need to bother with the charade of the 140 weight-drain for the weigh-in...so, since he fought at 147 and so has Floyd, and come fight night they will be the same weight, skip the charade of the 140 weight-drain, and just make it at 147 and be hydrated at all times.

Understand?
Let me know.

if we were to follow your reasoning, then ALL boxers would be fighting ABOVE their 'supposed' to be fighting weight. Almost all boxers come in 5-10 lbs above their weigh-in weight so your reasoning doesn't apply to pbf ricky or pac alone.

pac came in at 142 at the weigh-in. this is even after having bfast. and i believe pbf easily can make 140, so a catchweight around 140-145 is reasonable.

pac agreed to 147 because it's the lowest oscar would agree to. nobody pointed a gun to dlh, he really wanted it. if oscar can make 140, team pac would've gladly accepted.

[Benny Leonard]

Are you a begginer? It's the choice of a Boxer. DLH almost went close to 160 at fight night against Floyd.. Guzman even weight 27 pounds after the weigh in with Soto.. YOu're ******.. Why you give damn about that? The main point is making weight before the fight and who gives **** on what weight the boxer wants on fight night.

WOW, you have a small mind but I hope you can expand it with open eyes.

The point was simple: Calling it a "140" pound fight when the fighters don't weigh 140 pound by fight night is a lie.

This is why the HW division gets more credit. There is no lying. You just show up.

Say a fighter is fighting at 140. He drains himself to make that weight; 140. Fighter A rehydrates to 147; that's welterweight. Fighter B rehydrates himself to 154; that's Junior Middle.

Now you have two fighters in two different divisions.


Here's another example and see if you get it.

There is a basketball game. To make it fair, the people want two players of equal height for the game. Will say, 6'0 foot.
Man "A" is measured; he bends his knees 6 inches down. Because he bent his knees 6 inches down, he is 6'0, instead of 6'6 which is his true height. But, he made the cut at 6'0.

Man "B" bends down 4 inches; he makes the cut at 6'0 foot; he is really 6'4.

Come game time, we have a competition between to 6'0 foot players that the people expect to see...but, we now have a 6'6 player going up a 6'4 player.

So much for the game between two 6'0 foot players.

[FasTHarD]

Roach is a great trainer and does what is needed to give the advantages to his fighter....BUT **** YOU, YOU LITTLE ***** MOTHA ****ER.

I'm sick and tired of this bull****.

Fight the Fighter in the ring, not on the scales.


He pulled it with Oscar...and didn't he pull this same **** with Eric Morales in their last fight, when Morales wanted to move up in weight and make the fight because he was killing himself already?


I have all the respect for Manny and I hope Manny doesn't want to steal another victory.


At least Floyd didn't try to steal a victory over Oscar. where ws the fight? at 154.


Floyd is already in his 30's; has been inactive for one year and by the time the fight may happen, it could be close to two. **** that. 147 or NO FIGHT. That's what I want to hear from Floyd.

I cannot believe I'm starting to favor Floyd over Manny now...but Roach is pissing me off.

If he can fight at 147 against Oscar; he can fight Floyd at 147...especially since Floyd weighs about 147-149 by fight time. No sense and making either fighter drain weight for some bull**** weigh-in.

Tell me this article is bull**** because I don't want to lose more respect for Roach and Pac.


Although listen; I'm fine with a catch-weight of 146.9

You are shouting with your lame excuses again.....
Floyd is a small WW Pacman isn't a WW at all, they can probably fight at 140or142.. Like Roach said money will matter if this fights happen....


Excuses after the fight: Ring Rust..

[Benny Leonard]

if we were to follow your reasoning, then ALL boxers would be fighting ABOVE their 'supposed' to be fighting weight. Almost all boxers come in 5-10 lbs above their weigh-in weight so your reasoning doesn't apply to pbf ricky or pac alone.

pac came in at 142 at the weigh-in. this is even after having bfast. and i believe pbf easily can make 140, so a catchweight around 140-145 is reasonable.

pac agreed to 147 because it's the lowest oscar would agree to. nobody pointed a gun to dlh, he really wanted it. if oscar can make 140, team pac would've gladly accepted.

Yes, and I was for fighters fighting at their "real" weight. No dehydrating, just setting a mark and having to show up at that mark by fight time.


The point still stands: If Manny was 147 for his 135 pound bout, and Floyd was around 149 for his 147 pound bout, what's the point of having these two fighters fight at "140" if both will not show up at 140?

If they want, just put in the contract that both fighters have to be 147 by fight time. Floyd has to lose two pounds...even though Manny will start to show up just above 147 for his 140 pound bouts in the future. He walks around at 152+ and he isn't fat.

You see?

[Benny Leonard]

You are shouting with your lame excuses again.....
Floyd is a small WW Pacman isn't a WW at all, they can probably fight at 140or142.. Like Roach said money will matter if this fights happen....


Excuses after the fight: Ring Rust..

Actually, Floyd is a Welterweight; a legit, by fight time weight, Welter. Many others are not. They are Jr.Middle and Middleweights come fight time.

Pac, at 135, showed up at 147 by fight time, according to Roach. 147 is where? It's welter.

Where is Floyd? Welter...around 147-149. Pac's weight for Oscar. NOw, like I said above, if they want to put it in the contract that both fighters have to be at 147, no higher, by fight time, making it a TRUE 147 pound/Welterweight fight....I'm all for it.



OH, and that is reason not an excuse for the "Ring Rust." PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR HISTORY.

Ray Leonard for example, took two years off, came back, and had trouble in his return bout. So distraught was he, even though he won, he retired.

Inactivity kills. Freddie Roach said it; Floyd Sr. said it; Tyson said it; the Old Timers say it.

It's why some people have suggested Floyd take one or two tune-ups.

It's why Freddie said he keeps Manny active.

[Bogler]

Yes, and I was for fighters fighting at their "real" weight. No dehydrating, just setting a mark and having to show up at that mark by fight time.


The point still stands: If Manny was 147 for his 135 pound bout, and Floyd was around 149 for his 147 pound bout, what's the point of having these two fighters fight at "140" if both will not show up at 140?

If they want, just put in the contract that both fighters have to be 147 by fight time. Floyd has to lose two pounds...even though Manny will start to show up just above 147 for his 140 pound bouts in the future. He walks around at 152+ and he isn't fat.

You see?

the point you're making is moot. as everyone ang you know, ALL fighters rehydrate. and 5lbs rehydration is normal overnight after a previous heavy workout the day before.

[Benny Leonard]

the point you're making is moot. as everyone ang you know, ALL fighters rehydrate. and 5lbs rehydration is normal overnight after a previous heavy workout the day before.

No, my point is right on the mark.

What's the point of a weigh-in, calling it a 140 pound bout, if the fighters aren't fighting at 140?

The point was that originally, it was probably to make it a fair fight; having two fighters of the same weight (by fight time) shows up and fights.

But, fighters started taking advantage of the rule and dehydrating themselves to make weight to fight smaller fighters....after that, everybody started to do it and it became skewed.


And the point still is with Manny and Floyd both showing up at the same weight on fight night. So what is the point of them having to drain themselves for the weigh-in if they will blow up in weight and be the same again by fight time?

I said let's skip the drain, and move on with the fight. The Contract can say the fighters can't weigh above so and so...say 147.

Manny was 147 for his 135 pound bout; Floyd was about 149 for his 147 pound bout.