Roach: We'll Fight Mayweather at Catchweight!!

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  • Benny Leonard
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    #111
    Originally posted by Espada
    As I said If Floyd agrees then what's your problem? Why the F U C K would you agree if you can't make it.. Yeah Pacquiao still has a title at 135.. Mayweather fought at 147.. Putting at 140 or 142 makes it balance for both of them.. (If Mayweather agres and says it's no prob making weight)
    Pac has done at 135; he can't make weight according to Roach. He came in at or around 145 for his last fight there by fight time...yes, no?

    The problem is, we need to stop having these catch-weights because it further makes for more divisions. That's why I said just make the fight at 147, where both fighters had there last fight. There is no need for a weigh-in that makes a fighter drain weight then just put it back on for the fight time.

    If Mayweather agrees, I can't do anything about it; obviously.

    My point still stands with what I wrote and Freddie is an ass for doing it since his fighter last fought at 147 and won.

    Roach is playing mind games already; he just did it with Oscar, but of course, with Oscar, it had a greater hit. Given where Floyd is right now, it's b.s. to make him come down.

    I just don't understand why you would encourage somebody to steal a victory. I know it's all part of the battle, but it gets old when we are talking about a sport...and when people pay good money to see fighers at their best.

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    I know Freddie is just doing what he feels best for his fighter by giving him every advantage possible, but come on...don't steal the victory...although I give it up to Freddie, at least he admits it that Oscar was hurt by the weight-loss and was basically a shot fighter. Most probably wouldn't do that.
    Last edited by Benny Leonard; 12-09-2008, 09:17 AM.

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    • Espada
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      #112
      Originally posted by Benny Leonard
      Pac has done at 135; he can't make weight according to Roach. He came in at or around 145 for his last fight there by fight time...yes, no?

      The problem is, we need to stop having these catch-weights because it further makes for more divisions. That's why I said just make the fight at 147, where both fighters had there last fight. There is no need for a weigh-in that makes a fighter drain weight then just put it back on for the fight time.

      If Mayweather agrees, I can't do anything about it; obviously.

      My point still stands with what I wrote and Freddie is an ass for doing it since his fighter last fought at 147 and won.

      Roach is playing mind games already; he just did it with Oscar, but of course, with Oscar, it had a greater hit. Given where Floyd is right now, it's b.s. to make him come down.

      I just don't understand why you would encourage somebody to steal a victory. I know it's all part of the battle, but it gets old when we are talking about a sport...and when people pay good money to see fighers at their best.

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      Are you crazy? Oscar made the statement of fighting Pac at 147.. He made the stipulation and Top Rank didn't even do **** on the promotion.. Venue, Purse Split, weight and everything was Oscar's choice. It's BS? Floyd is already a small 147 and a lot of people agree he can make 140 easily.

      If you weigh 140+ on fight night and 135 o nthe weigh in whats the point? Guzman weighed 130 pounds and 160 pounds on fight night against Soto. .The point is you make the weight the day before the fight and I don't give a damn how the weigh after that.. Oscar can dehydrate to 160 if he wants.. Wh osaid he can't make 135? Just being 140+ at fight night doesn't mean you can't make weight..

      Steal a victory? If you can make the weight why steal victory? Oscar never complained about weight and no article was published Oscar was having a hard time making weight.. It was his choice to fight at 147.. The Forbes fight was at 150.. DLH was ALREADY 145-150 2 MONTHS BEFORE THE FIGHT!

      Good Fighters best when want someone to move up 3 divisions to fight you?

      The 44 Year old Hopkins fought at a catchweight against an undefeated KO artist ..

      Who the F U C K was the underdog? Nobody gave Pac a punchers chance.

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      • Jim Jeffries
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        #113
        Heaven forbid a guy that weighed 129 against Marquez 9 months ago would want to fight Mayweather at 140.

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        • Lady Fan
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          #114
          The Pacman can and will beat Mayweather. The way I see it, Floyd's only survival from the Pacman's fury is to run from him but he will eventually get caught and the Pacman will pounce. This will happen. I believe it. JAT

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          • S A M U R A I
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            #115
            ^^

            And lady fan 2 is scarily correct, even down to predicting the rounds. Don't mess with her/him/whatever.



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            • DA1CATAS
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              #116
              If they get floyd to go to 140... they must be paying MUCHO dinero,yen.pounds,tons,dollars to money may for that fight.

              But roach isn't ******.. they know floyd would destroy pac at 147.

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              • Pullcounter
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                #117
                floyd can make 140 easy biches!!!!

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                • MindBat
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                  #118
                  Now people are starting to get a small glimpse into why Floyd struggled to get many good fights in the beginning.

                  But back then Floyd was avoided like the plague by managers who didn't feel their fighters were ready to face a phenom like Floyd.

                  This is probably the first of many more stipulations to follow by Team Pacquiao, is my guess.

                  I'm almost sure Floyd can make the catchweight if he wanted to to prove that he can pull out a win at disadvantage.

                  Hopefully, the negotiations don't break down come next year cause it's gonna be a mega hit to watch.

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                  • AKATheMack
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                    #119
                    Originally posted by Benny Leonard
                    Roach is a great trainer and does what is needed to give the advantages to his fighter....BUT **** YOU, YOU LITTLE ***** MOTHA ****ER.

                    I'm sick and tired of this bull****.

                    Fight the Fighter in the ring, not on the scales.


                    He pulled it with Oscar...and didn't he pull this same **** with Eric Morales in their last fight, when Morales wanted to move up in weight and make the fight because he was killing himself already?


                    I have all the respect for Manny and I hope Manny doesn't want to steal another victory.


                    At least Floyd didn't try to steal a victory over Oscar. where ws the fight? at 154.


                    Floyd is already in his 30's; has been inactive for one year and by the time the fight may happen, it could be close to two. **** that. 147 or NO FIGHT. That's what I want to hear from Floyd.

                    I cannot believe I'm starting to favor Floyd over Manny now...but Roach is pissing me off.

                    If he can fight at 147 against Oscar; he can fight Floyd at 147...especially since Floyd weighs about 147-149 by fight time. No sense and making either fighter drain weight for some bull**** weigh-in.

                    Tell me this article is bull**** because I don't want to lose more respect for Roach and Pac.


                    Although listen; I'm fine with a catch-weight of 146.9

                    If Floyd isnt willing to fight the BEST at 147 he doesnt need to be there anyway. He'll come out of retirement for a guy with 1 fight at 147 no fights at 140 and one fight at 130? Manny isnt no damn WW.

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                    • Benny Leonard
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                      #120
                      Originally posted by Espada
                      Are you crazy? Oscar made the statement of fighting Pac at 147.. He made the stipulation and Top Rank didn't even do **** on the promotion.. Venue, Purse Split, weight and everything was Oscar's choice. It's BS? Floyd is already a small 147 and a lot of people agree he can make 140 easily.

                      If you weigh 140+ on fight night and 135 o nthe weigh in whats the point? Guzman weighed 130 pounds and 160 pounds on fight night against Soto. .The point is you make the weight the day before the fight and I don't give a damn how the weigh after that.. Oscar can dehydrate to 160 if he wants.. Wh osaid he can't make 135? Just being 140+ at fight night doesn't mean you can't make weight..

                      Steal a victory? If you can make the weight why steal victory? Oscar never complained about weight and no article was published Oscar was having a hard time making weight.. It was his choice to fight at 147.. The Forbes fight was at 150.. DLH was ALREADY 145-150 2 MONTHS BEFORE THE FIGHT!

                      Good Fighters best when want someone to move up 3 divisions to fight you?

                      The 44 Year old Hopkins fought at a catchweight against an undefeated KO artist ..

                      Who the F U C K was the underdog? Nobody gave Pac a punchers chance.
                      Freddie Roach on Pac's weight at 135

                      Listen to wear Pac's weight is RIGHT NOW...I'll tell you 152. How much against Diaz? 147. What did you say Freddie? Pac was having trouble making weight.

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