Is Oscar De La Hoya an all-time great?

[Dynamite Kid]

Oh please!! Winky should have won the Vargas fight, but it was much closer compared to the boxing lesson Oscar put on Tito. You can't have it both ways. If Tito was the best for his flimsy win over Oscar, then Vargas has to be considered the best at that time for his flimsy win over Wright.

dude you have been watching too many legendary nights the fight was close as hell ,that and his fight with Whitaker are two of the tightest fights to score imo

if you wanna look for a fight he won more clearly but did not get the decision i would say Mosley 2

[lparm]

Oh please!! Winky should have won the Vargas fight, but it was much closer compared to the boxing lesson Oscar put on Tito. You can't have it both ways. If Tito was the best for his flimsy win over Oscar, then Vargas has to be considered the best at that time for his flimsy win over Wright.

Who cleaned out the division jabbo? Winky came back from the Vargas robbery to become the undisputed champ and beat Mosley twice. DLH bounced back from the Tito loss to beat the ATG legend of legends Castillejo. Do you see my point? Winky was robbed and set the record straight by beating everyone else and establishing a great record. DLH you say was robbed and continued to be a notch below the best in every division he's been in.

[JAB5239]

Excellent point, how about DLH not even mentioning giving Sturm a rematch. Was DLH afraid he'd be exposed again?

I may have been inclined to agree with you here had Oscar kept fighting at 160 after the Hopkins fight, but he didn't.

[Thread Stealer]

hell yeah if James Toney is an ATFG then why is'nt Oscar

Oscar could of stayed at WW and built his legacy in 1 div but he decided to seek out the biggest challenges thats why he has loses on his record cause he fought the best available

he should of lost to Sturm,Quartey but he also should of beat Mosley second time around ,Oscar's resume is a who is who in Boxing

Oscar is a cheese ball that can get on your nerves but still an entertaining,great fighter

The biggest challenge for him when he left welterweight in 2001, was at welterweight. A Shane Mosley rematch.

[Dynamite Kid]

The biggest challenge for him when he left welterweight in 2001, was at welterweight. A Shane Mosley rematch.

i thought he fought Mosley rematch at 154lbs

im probably not answering your question correctly

[lparm]

I may have been inclined to agree with you here had Oscar kept fighting at 160 after the Hopkins fight, but he didn't.

He dropped from mw because those guys were too big for him, but "double standard" DLH had no problem dangling the millions and millions in front of the smaller Floyd and Pac so he could be the bigger man in the fight. Double standard?

[Thread Stealer]

i thought he fought Mosley rematch at 154lbs

im probably not answering your question correctly

He did fight him again @ 154, I'm saying him leaving welterweight was not an example of him seeking out the best challenges.

DLH fought a lot of tough opposition, but it's not so cut-and-dry as him always looking for the biggest challenges. He did his share of selective timing.

He looked for the money (not that I blame him or any fighter for that).

[Dynamite Kid]

we all know that in Boxing you have to close the show and that is why Oscar beat Quartey IMO but it is also why he lost to Tito,Mosley 2 cause he faded and never showed that championship quailty to close the show

judges tend to remember what you done in that latter part of the fight rightly or wrongly,Leonard should not have drawed with Hearns second time around but he like Dela Hoya against Quartey he had a few massive rounds towards the end and managed to win and get a draw

[Dynamite Kid]

He did fight him again @ 154, I'm saying him leaving welterweight was not an example of him seeking out the best challenges.

DLH fought a lot of tough opposition, but it's not so cut-and-dry as him always looking for the biggest challenges. He did his share of selective timing.

He looked for the money (not that I blame him or any fighter for that).

fair play i understand what you are saying and i agree majority of the time him seeking out the bigger challenges was money orientated more than searching to define himself as a great fighter

[JAB5239]

Who cleaned out the division jabbo? Winky came back from the Vargas robbery to become the undisputed champ and beat Mosley twice. DLH bounced back from the Tito loss to beat the ATG legend of legends Castillejo. Do you see my point? Winky was robbed and set the record straight by beating everyone else and establishing a great record. DLH you say was robbed and continued to be a notch below the best in every division he's been in.

Winky only became champ again because Tito vacated the title he beat Vargas for, who has that all important W over Wright. So please, don't act like he cleaned out the division.

Oscar was robbed much worse against Tito and still managed to take on Mosely asnd Quartey during his stay at 147. By your reasoning, Tito couldn't have been the best at that weight because he didn't fight two of the most dangerous fighters outside of Oscar at welterweight.

Yeah, Oscar beat Castillejo, big deal. But lets throw a parade for Winky's decisive victory over future hall of famer Robert Frazier!! See, works both ways.