Is Oscar De La Hoya an all-time great?

[lparm]

I find it a bit dubious that you would call Tito the best for a highly questionable victory against Oscar, yet call Winky the best at 154 even though he lost a questionable decision to Vargas. Kind of a double standard, don't you think?

The Tito fight was won because DLH ran and screwed himself. DLH screwed DLH. The judges screwed Winky, and Winky came back from that loss to become the undisputed 154 champ. He came back to beat a modern great in Mosley something DLH failed to do twice. That's a good reason to call him the best at 154, don't you think?

[JAB5239]

Watch the fight Vargas was given a gift and refused Winky a rematch, then Winky beat Mosley twice the man who beat DLH twice. Do you think DLH is better than Winky? lol

Trinidad was given a gift and refused a rematch. Whats your point?

[Thread Stealer]

Trinidad was given a gift and refused a rematch. Whats your point?

Trinidad didn't necessarily refuse it. Trinidad/King and DLH/Arum couldn't come to terms on the rematch, arguing over money and weight.

[lparm]

Trinidad didn't necessarily refuse it. Trinidad/King and DLH/Arum couldn't come to terms on the rematch, arguing over money and weight.

Excellent point, how about DLH not even mentioning giving Sturm a rematch. Was DLH afraid he'd be exposed again?

[lparm]

Trinidad didn't necessarily refuse it. Trinidad/King and DLH/Arum couldn't come to terms on the rematch, arguing over money and weight.

Even the most hardcore DLH fans say that Tito won at least 4 rounds. How many rounds did DLH really win against Sturm I had him winning 3 rounds clearly and the rest all highly debatable.

[Dynamite Kid]

hell yeah if James Toney is an ATFG then why is'nt Oscar

Oscar could of stayed at WW and built his legacy in 1 div but he decided to seek out the biggest challenges thats why he has loses on his record cause he fought the best available

he should of lost to Sturm,Quartey but he also should of beat Mosley second time around ,Oscar's resume is a who is who in Boxing

Oscar is a cheese ball that can get on your nerves but still an entertaining,great fighter

[123tyson123]

hes an ATG. legendary fighter

[JAB5239]

The Tito fight was won because DLH ran and screwed himself. DLH screwed DLH. The judges screwed Winky, and Winky came back from that loss to become the undisputed 154 champ. He came back to beat a modern great in Mosley something DLH failed to do twice. That's a good reason to call him the best at 154, don't you think?

Oh please!! Winky should have won the Vargas fight, but it was much closer compared to the boxing lesson Oscar put on Tito. You can't have it both ways. If Tito was the best for his flimsy win over Oscar, then Vargas has to be considered the best at that time for his flimsy win over Wright.

[JAB5239]

Trinidad didn't necessarily refuse it. Trinidad/King and DLH/Arum couldn't come to terms on the rematch, arguing over money and weight.

True enough my friend. But for one reason or another it still didn't happen, just like Winky-Vargas 2 never happened.

[Thread Stealer]

Oh please!! Winky should have won the Vargas fight, but it was much closer compared to the boxing lesson Oscar put on Tito. You can't have it both ways. If Tito was the best for his flimsy win over Oscar, then Vargas has to be considered the best at that time for his flimsy win over Wright.

They were both close fights. The "boxing lesson" that DLH gave Trinidad is exaggerated, thanks in part to Jim Lampley. Before DLH got tired and stayed away the last 3 rounds, there were close rounds. Round 1 was close, so was round 4, 8. Hell, even 9 was pretty close.