Just how great is james toney?

[RageX]

hahah rofl but its like u dont read or something cause i keep explaining the same thing over and over again but u keep going on and on its like u dont want to know that james toneys prime was super middlewieght but oh well its ur opinion rofl.
Its pretty dam crazy to think toney was in his prime at light heavy.
Ok from all ive heard from u rofl which is the same thing over and over again is that toney is overrated by shawn rofl so bloody what hes only one person im talking about in general in the boxing community.
Reason i was posting the same things is because ur not reading his prime was at super middleweight any1 will tell u that even if there not a fan of him and ok he losts desicians at least he didnt get knocked out like roy jones who is stil ver overrated alot more then james toney.

The same weight division where he got schooled by Roy Jones? Toney won 2 rounds in that fight because I was being nice to him.

[RageX]

he was how many years older when he fought Roy

Lol Jones dominated McCallum and then after the Jones fight McCallum fought Toney to a close fight which could have gone either way, I had it 115-113 for Toney.

[Sweet Pete]

hahah rofl but its like u dont read or something cause i keep explaining the same thing over and over again but u keep going on and on its like u dont want to know that james toneys prime was super middlewieght but oh well its ur opinion rofl.
Its pretty dam crazy to think toney was in his prime at light heavy.
Ok from all ive heard from u rofl which is the same thing over and over again is that toney is overrated by shawn rofl so bloody what hes only one person im talking about in general in the boxing community.
Reason i was posting the same things is because ur not reading his prime was at super middleweight any1 will tell u that even if there not a fan of him and ok he losts desicians at least he didnt get knocked out like roy jones who is stil ver overrated alot more then james toney.

okrofl dats wellcool rofl hahahha rofl james toney is fatrofl roy jones owns rofl

Why not learn to post intelligently? Toney's prime was at SMW, he was still near prime at MW and LHW. That is not a big difference. Roy was very effective from MW to LHW, until he got old. Toney was effective at all 3 as well, just not nearly as effective as someone like Roy.

Again, AND LISTON TO ME THIS TIME! Toney lost to bums in his prime, Roy lost to much better fighters than the ones Toney lost to, when past his prime. Get it? Also, Roy was much more consistent and dominant in his prime, and oh yeah, completely dominated James Toney.

[Nwahs !!]

In other words you haven't seen the fight. No way anyone who watched could score it for Toney, unless they scored the Jones/Toney fight a close one. Then again, look who I'm arguing with.

For some reason you are interpreting my saying he wasn't getting schooled as saying he was taking rounds. No, he wasn't taking rounds, but he was not getting schooled. He was losing close and competetive rounds. Jones looked better against Toney than anyone has looked against Toney, but given his sever weight issues, and having to drop 20lb on fight week just so you can sweat out another 20lb to make weight IS severe, Toney did very well.

[Sweet Pete]

For some reason you are interpreting my saying he wasn't getting schooled as saying he was taking rounds. No, he wasn't taking rounds, but he was not getting schooled. He was losing close and competetive rounds. Jones looked better against Toney than anyone has looked against Toney, but given his sever weight issues, and having to drop 20lb on fight week just so you can sweat out another 20lb to make weight IS severe, Toney did very well.

Ok, sure, we're talking the Tiberi fight though. That was a loss for Toney. Have you seen the fight?

[RageX]

Ok, sure, we're talking the Tiberi fight though. That was a loss for Toney. Have you seen the fight?

A blind man could tell Tiberi won that fight.

[Sweet Pete]

Unlike you, I actually watch the whole fight instead of watching a Highlight reel specifically created to show Toney looking bad. Obviously it wasn't his best performance, but it was no more gift wrapped then Mayweathers win over Castillo.

Im still waiting to hear how Toney was schooled by Michael Nunn.

I didn't say Toney was schooled by Nunn, in fact I said it was closer than people said, you even quoted me on it.

I have seen the whole fight. I doubt a James Toney fan would show a highlight meant to make Toney look bad either, so there goes that point of yours.

[TheGreatA]

Toney IMO had two 'primes'.

The first one was after he KO'd Nunn up until the Roy Jones fight. Toney had lots of decisions go his way during that time though, he was very inconsistent, partly because of his habit of ballooning up to 200 pounds inbetween fights. He had the occasional great performance in there too.

After he was humiliated by Jones, he lost two close decisions to Griffin and one Thadzi. For years he fought subpar competition until he finally fought Vassiliy Jirov, the long-reigning cruiserweight champion.

The second one was when he beat Jirov at cruiserweight and went up to HW as a fat man and fought with the best of the HW division at the time (which wasn't much). The first fight against Samuel Peter will probably stay as his last good performance as he is now old and shot.

One thing about Toney is that he is at his best as a counter puncher while the other fighter is coming at him. He can get lazy and takes round off while letting the opponent work without taking many clean hits because of his defense. Even when he does get hit, he doesn't seem affected.
Toney's footwork isn't much but his upperbody movements are quite unbelievable, just watch his fight against Iran Barkley. His counter right could KO just about any fighter in the lower weightclasses he fought in.
Toney can sneak in uppercuts on the inside like no other fighter can.

Toney at his best, in good condition, would be hell for any pressure fighter.

[GunStar]

I JUST EXPLAINED THAT! Did you even read my post before commenting on it?

Jones was old and shot in his losses to Tarver and Johnson, Toney was most certainly not old or shot in his losses to Thadzi or Tiberi, and the caliber of fighters Jones lost to when past his prime was at least as good or better than the caliber Toney lost to when in his prime. Toney was fine at LHW, one of his best performances against Jirov took place there. His peak may have been at 168, but don't tell me he was past his prime or anywhere near shot at LHW. He was fine there.

Toney, in his prime, lost to Tiberi, Griffin twice, Thadzi, and was given a gift against an old, damn near shot McCallum. Jones on the other hand, KO'd Griffin in one round and basically shut out McCallum, kinda like he did Toney.

Again, I am not saying Toney was bad, I am saying he is overrated by guys like Shawn, who consider him better than Roy Jones. Do you get it now, or are you going to just not read my post againt and post the same stuff?

Actually James Toney is underrated, not overrated! Toney had some off nights and was very beatable some nights, he had weight problems most of his career and also was a little lazy at times.

But a prime 100% James Toney is as a good a fighter I've ever seen. Also you keep mentioning the Griffin fights, Toney was ****ing rob in both of those fights, you mention Mike McCallum being old, the same Mike McCallum that had only lost once before Toney, the same Mike McCallum that had 10 straight wins when he received a gift draw against Toney. He was also robbed against Thadzi, you ****ing knucklehead! You're never seen these fights and you're talking out of your ass.

The Tiberi fight is the only one that is debatable, now ****-off with your hate.

[Dynamite Kid]

Lol Jones dominated McCallum and then after the Jones fight McCallum fought Toney to a close fight which could have gone either way, I had it 115-113 for Toney.

Toney fought him in '91' before Jones JR