Just how great is james toney?

[Dynamite Kid]

Name one fighter that Schooled James Toney? Roy Jones? No. Roy didn't school him. That fight was much closer than many people believe. A product of Roy Jones fan boys talking about the fight, without ever seeing it.

Montell Griffin? Sure didn't take Toney to school.

Even in the fights where he came in HORRIBLY out of shape. The kind of shape that would make Vargas look trim and cut. He still managed to keep the fights close and reasonable competitive.

Griffin ring generaled him the way i saw it ,he dictated the tempo of the fight from start to finish

[Sweet Pete]

Dude what i dont understand is why would u knock toney because he fought and lost to was in another division to what he was use to. He lost at light heavyweight 3 times and lost 2 times in heavywieght division so what?

When did I knock his losses at Heavyweight? I knocked his losses to nobodies like Drake Thadzi and Dave Tiberi, when he was pretty much in his prime. I knocked his loss to Jones. Not that it's a bad thing to lose to Jones, but he got completely and totally humiliated and outclassed. Shawn says he has a claim to being better than Jones in his prime? WTF? How?

he started out as a dam middlewieght and yes he lost to a very gd roy jones plus james toneys prime was at super middlewieght!

Yes, the same weight he lost to Jones at, SUper Middleweight. What is your point?

what u jus said is like sayin roy jones was no good because he lost to 2 bums well gues what it happens sometimes great fighters lose to C class competition but the reason there great is because they dont constantly lose to C class fighters.

Jones lost to B level(not C level, Tarver at one point was close to A level) fighters when clearly past his prime, not when he was in his prime, like Toney did.

Toney was great cause he fought everybody and won belts in multiple divisions taking on the toughest.

But he still lost to a lot of bums, and usually either lost or wasn't very impressive against the best. At his very best, he beat a guy like Barkley, who was a bit hitting brawler, tailor-made to get beat up by someone like Toney.

you just basically said hes crap because of his losses which isnt a very gd statement to why u think james is crap.

I never said he was crap, I said he was overrated. When you lose to most of your best competition, and lose to people you're supposed to beat, and yet people still consider you as good as someone like Shawn thinks of Toney, you're overrated in my book.

The guy has only been down 4 times in his career of 80 fights in 4 divisions from middle to heavy i mean wtf how is he overrated?

I've explained that.

This thread is about how underrated toney is because he is not overrated at all infact i have barely seen him mentioned at all in these forums but he will always be mentioned when u talk about defense,counterpunching,chin and power thats fact atg imo.

Possibly, but that doesn't mean he's not overrated. When I say he's overrated, I mean people overrate him, not that he isn't good. Shawn said he was as good as Roy Jones or better, which is ludicrous.

[sterling]

It's good to see that after a long time atleast someone is nuthugging Toney...Anyone who believes he is better than Ray Leonard or Mayweather should be shot straight away and this is coming from the biggest Mayweather hater you will find here, but I do give him his dues.

Floyd wouldn't suffer against C class fighters like Dave Tiberi, Sanderline Williams, Terry McGroom

Thadzi beat him, Griffin beat him twice, An Old McCallum beat him, Tiberi beat him, Roy Jones Dominated him, Was getting outboxed by Nunn badly, Barely beat Reggie Johnson.

hey whos nuthuggin? im sayin hes underrated.
mccallum didnt beat him for a fact.
Toney lost against roy jones at super middlewieght yeh he lost so what fighters lose fights at least he didnt duck cause he wanted to fight the best.
He lost to drake,griffin at light heavywieght and he lost twice to samuel peter at heavywieght so what?
Roy jones lost to glen johnson and tarver rofl and does that mean hes crap?

[Sweet Pete]

Name one fighter that Schooled James Toney? Roy Jones? No. Roy didn't school him. That fight was much closer than many people believe. A product of Roy Jones fan boys talking about the fight, without ever seeing it.

Now I know you're joking. That performance was a masterclass by Jones. I suppose you thought Floyd/Corrales was close, or Calzaghe/Lacy.

[RageX]

hey whos nuthuggin? im sayin hes underrated.
mccallum didnt beat him for a fact.
Toney lost against roy jones at super middlewieght yeh he lost so what fighters lose fights at least he didnt duck cause he wanted to fight the best.
He lost to drake,griffin at light heavywieght and he lost twice to samuel peter at heavywieght so what?
Roy jones lost to glen johnson and tarver rofl and does that mean hes crap?

Whats worse losing to virtual unknowns like Drake Thadzi and Dave Tiberi or losing to Tarver and Johnson who were atleast linear champions and B class fighters at the time

[Sweet Pete]

lol i can see ur a james toney hater if u just look at those vids i posted at the begining of the thread then u will see some of his best wins and theres about 5 vids there.
A boxer cant make his resume look gd if theres no one around james toney fought the best and everyone at the time.
He cant pull hagler out of retirement then pound him so his resume looks better lol its not gna happen.

I have seen all of the vids. He looked good in a highlight, who the **** doesn't look good in a highlight?! I said in my first post that he was a very skilled fighter, just overrated career-wise. What were his best wins? I just gave them to you, Nunn and Barkley. You think those compare to Ali's wins over guys like Foreman, Frazier, Liston, etc?

Toney fought the best surely, that is not my point, my point ie how he lost to most, and lost to a lot of nobodies. Comparing Toney's losses in his prime to Jones's losses when past his prime is ridiculous as well, especially considering even when past his prime, the opponents Jones lost to were much better than Drake Thadzi or Dave Tiberi.

[Nwahs !!]

Please point out where Toney is getting badly outboxed. That right, he isn't I guess you have never actually watched the fight.

[sterling]

When did I knock his losses at Heavyweight? I knocked his losses to nobodies like Drake Thadzi and Dave Tiberi, when he was pretty much in his prime. I knocked his loss to Jones. Not that it's a bad thing to lose to Jones, but he got completely and totally humiliated and outclassed. Shawn says he has a claim to being better than Jones in his prime? WTF? How?

Yes, the same weight he lost to Jones at, SUper Middleweight. What is your point?

Jones lost to B level(not C level, Tarver at one point was close to A level) fighters when clearly past his prime, not when he was in his prime, like Toney did.

But he still lost to a lot of bums, and usually either lost or wasn't very impressive against the best. At his very best, he beat a guy like Barkley, who was a bit hitting brawler, tailor-made to get beat up by someone like Toney.

I never said he was crap, I said he was overrated. When you lose to most of your best competition, and lose to people you're supposed to beat, and yet people still consider you as good as someone like Shawn thinks of Toney, you're overrated in my book.

I've explained that.

Possibly, but that doesn't mean he's not overrated. When I say he's overrated, I mean people overrate him, not that he isn't good. Shawn said he was as good as Roy Jones or better, which is ludicrous.

ur not gettin it il explain james toney wasnt in his prime at light heavywieght he lost 3 times in that division but stil managed to get a title and fight his way back up.
he lost twice to sam peter in the heavywieght division again toney far past his prime in light heavy and heavywieght but i do think he was a bit comfortable at crusierwieght.
He is definatly not overrated i dnt see any james toney nuthuggers on this forum but for u to say hes overrated he aint that gd cause he lost to nobodies thats the exact same thing that happened to roy jones and he stil is very overrated so whats the difference?

[Nwahs !!]

Where are people getting the idea that Toney lost to Tiberi?

[sterling]

I have seen all of the vids. He looked good in a highlight, who the **** doesn't look good in a highlight?! I said in my first post that he was a very skilled fighter, just overrated career-wise. What were his best wins? I just gave them to you, Nunn and Barkley. You think those compare to Ali's wins over guys like Foreman, Frazier, Liston, etc?

Toney fought the best surely, that is not my point, my point ie how he lost to most, and lost to a lot of nobodies. Comparing Toney's losses in his prime to Jones's losses when past his prime is ridiculous as well, especially considering even when past his prime, the opponents Jones lost to were much better than Drake Thadzi or Dave Tiberi.

u fool i didnt post any highlights they were fights u keep mentioning drake and dave granted he lost to drake so what he was in another division light heavywieght and stop mentioning dave cause he never lost to him.