If Roy Jones Jr Never Left 168.....

[THE REED]

It's kind of funny how you brush off the Hopkins and Griffin fights as not being evidence for Roy's bad habits because he wasn't at his best for those fights but then bring up Reid vs Calzaghe where Calzaghe was clearly not at his best either as evidence that Roy Jones would beat him.

Nonetheless, I agree that Roy Jones beats Calzaghe and I've already made my point clear earlier in this thread.

I just brought up some of the bad habits that Roy Jones had in the ring which were exploited by a lesser fighter in Montell Griffin.
People here seem to think Calzaghe (or just about everyone) has ZERO chance against 'prime' Roy Jones who in some peoples opinion was completely invincible, I disagree with that. Roy had his flaws, every fighter has flaws,
Roy was able to get away with those flaws because of his athleticism and his smarts but a great fighter could make him pay for it. When Roy got old, Johnson and Tarver made him pay.

you always bring up really great points and good posts... i dont disagree.. i do however think the weightloss did effect him.. .but i stlil agree with u on the bad habits... whats ur honest opinion on mayweathers flaws? im eager to see what you think...

[THE REED]

Ruiz was'nt a ****er for a start ,however he did stun Roy for split second early on i cant remeber what round it was early in the fight with a right hand

Listen im not saying Roy had a glass jaw what i am saying is Calzghe has never been knocked out Cold by Single shots

well he knocked down evander holyfield? at that point you can justify your power i believe... and your estimate on calzaghe not being knocked out is of course true... im not saying its an excuse but dropping 20lbs in muscle i do personally believe is a valid reason.. roy had 0 stamina, he looked like he was sick... like i said nobody wants to hear excuses and i feel u on that... but, i think it definitely had something to do with his downfall as an elite fighter

[Dynamite Kid]

well he knocked down evander holyfield? at that point you can justify your power i believe... and your estimate on calzaghe not being knocked out is of course true... im not saying its an excuse but dropping 20lbs in muscle i do personally believe is a valid reason.. roy had 0 stamina, he looked like he was sick... like i said nobody wants to hear excuses and i feel u on that... but, i think it definitely had something to do with his downfall as an elite fighter

Im not saying any different mate,its just i feel pointing out that Joe has been dropped by this guy that guy & claiming Roy has taken punches of Heavyweight is a bit of a contradiction ,when Roy has been KO'd twice prime or not & Joe has never been Stopped or beaten let alone KO'd

[THE REED]

Im not saying any different mate,its just i feel pointing out that Joe has been dropped by this guy that guy & claiming Roy has taken punches of Heavyweight is a bit of a contradiction ,when Roy has been KO'd twice prime or not & Joe has never been Stopped or beaten let alone KO'd

when you take into account a guy who weight 198... 2% body fat.... having to make 175 8 months later... and trying lose it in an 8 week trainnig camp... i mean the ONLY way to do that is dehydration.. running etc etc... and theres just no way a human body can take the same resistance that it did before that dehydration... and i think at 35... your body just doesnt react to a change like that... like i said no excuses, he got knocked out theres no denying it... but dont you find it SOME WHAT odd.. he DID take heavyweight right hands... but then gets knocked out cold from a guy that came from middleweight? i mean that does seem a little.. like wtf?? thats the only point im tryin to make..

[Dynamite Kid]

when you take into account a guy who weight 198... 2% body fat.... having to make 175 8 months later... and trying lose it in an 8 week trainnig camp... i mean the ONLY way to do that is dehydration.. running etc etc... and theres just no way a human body can take the same resistance that it did before that dehydration... and i think at 35... your body just doesnt react to a change like that... like i said no excuses, he got knocked out theres no denying it... but dont you find it SOME WHAT odd.. he DID take heavyweight right hands... but then gets knocked out cold from a guy that came from middleweight? i mean that does seem a little.. like wtf?? thats the only point im tryin to make..

Im not saying Roy had a glass chin but i just got the impression u were saying he had a better chin than Zag ,i disagree with that bit to be honest

[THE REED]

Im not saying Roy had a glass chin but i just got the impression u were saying he had a better chin than Zag ,i disagree with that bit to be honest

right.. its debatable but not provable

[RichCCFC]

No ****ing way does he have a better chin than Calzaghe.

[THE REED]

No ****ing way does he have a better chin than Calzaghe.

yo cant say that... roys taken punches from bigger stronger guys than calzaghe has... considering he was at light heavy and heavyweight

[RichCCFC]

yo cant say that... roys taken punches from bigger stronger guys than calzaghe has... considering he was at light heavy and heavyweight

He's also been KOed twice without even attempting to beat the 8 count by average punchers.

[apollo creed]

Roy wanted no part of Nigel Benn and a few other 168 guys around that time, that is the reason he moved out of a packed division to most probably the weakest.