Calzaghe is overrated

[Clegg]

wow, just wow. this is absolute insanity, lies, delusions, crazyness all rapped up into one post.

lacy-taylor, what about that? taylor just came off 2 losses to pavlik and where most fighters would fight bum fighters like Manfredo, Bika, Ashira, Veit, Salem, Mkrtchian and Pudwill so they could get an easy win to boost their confidence, taylor chose not to take that supremely easy route. He instead chose Lacy who is a legit top 5 smw. oh wait, did I just name a few of the guys that Calzaghe fought during his title reign? wow, what a coincidence. And those are not even half of the ATG fighters on Calzghe's resume during his title reign.

No, look, until Lacy-Taylor was going to happen, you didn't seem to think that Lacy was any good at all. The idea that he's now a cut above the rest of Calzaghe's opposition is just a case of revisionism on your part.

Tell me, who won more rounds against Calzaghe, was it Bika, Salem, or Lacy? But of course, Lacy is suddenly better than he was a few weeks ago...

Is Lacy top 5 at SMW? I don't think so. But that's not the point. The point is that when Calzaghe spent his career consistently beating the best at SMW, it was meaningless to you because you didn't rate the guys in the division. Your basic attitude was: Who cares if they're the best, if the best aren't any good?

Let's see what you thought earlier this year

Let me tell you, the smw division is easily the weakest division in boxing. So being the best in that division doesn't really say much about how good you are. It only tells you how good you are compared to the others in your division period.

So, according to your criteria that you have selected, Lacy just isn't that good. I mean, if being the best at SMW doesn't mean anything, then being the 5th best is worth even less, especially when most would say that Lacy is not top 5.

This isn't me saying that Lacy is no good, this is you saying that Lacy is no good.

I get the feeling that because of this, you'll soon be deciding that there is some other way of twisting things so that Lacy looks like a better choice of opposition, so let's cut down your wriggle room a bit more:

Oscar is an A class fighter while Kessler is a B- at best. And Lacy is a C+.

well for one, Lacy is and was overrated just cuz he had a belt. He didn't beat anyone even average for it. you named Vanderpool, Sheika, Reid and Pemberton<---are you serious?

eubank who? reid who? woodhall who? brewer who? micthell who? mario veit who? lacy heard of him and he sucks.

Lacy sucks cuz Calzaghe even beat him. POINT FINAL.

Lacy was always finished. one of the most overrated fighters of this generation.

Your aim is to make Calzaghe look as bad as possible, and make Taylor look as good as possible. So you spent months talking about how bad Lacy was, and now you have to completely backtrack and come up with this "but he's the 5th best SMW!" crap.

and you say I'm nationalistic? lol. check my favorites list. not a single canadian. hell, I'm white and there is only 1 white guy(pavlik) in my favs. If I was so nationalistic I could have easily put guys like Gatti, Langford, Lewis, Chuvalo, Burns.... in my favs list. you're a white british guy and I'm sure your top 3 most fav fighters are all white brits.

You go on about facts and delusions, but I'm the one using facts, and you're the one taking random guesses about the race and nationality of my favourite fighters.

I've mentioned your nationalist bias and pointed out facts supporting my argument. You've gone a step further, accusing me of national and racial bias, and yet you have no evidence whatsoever.

Now, if I were in your position, I would've tried to find out the facts, rather than just guessing at what I want to be true. I would've looked at:
1)Sig and avatar
2)Groups joined
3)Threads started

So let's do that. Let's look at the facts that were readily available to you.

My sig: Oh look, it's Chris Eubank, that well known white guy.

Look at the groups that I am a member of
Team Cotto (not British or white)
The Cottolition (as above)
Team Haye (not white)
Team Tyson (not British or white)
Tye Fields (not British)

I am a member of the 'British Boxers' group, however if you look (which you can, because it's not set to private) you'll see that there is only one boxer that I've mentioned in there: Kell Brook, who is black.

Ok, 2 down, 3 to go. So far, not so good, but maybe I've been starting a lot of threads about Calzaghe and Hatton or something...

A complete list of fighters that I have started threads on

Calderon
Amir Khan
Freddy Norwood
Sugar Ray Robinson
DLH vs Pac
Hopkins
DLH-Tito
Soto
Khan
Tye Fields
Alex Arthur
Khan-Rees
Chris Samardin
Johnny Nelson-David Haye

So that ruins your theory completely, doesn't it? 1 thread on a white British boxer out of 14.

My 3 favourite British fighters right now are Calzaghe, Khan and Brook. One white guy, one Asian guy, one black guy. If we're talking all time then Hamed and Benn come above anyone else. Take a look here if you don't believe me and you'll see that I also picked Abraham and Vitali ahead any other British fighter, white or otherwise.

Sorry, but a "I know you are but what am I" response doesn't really work in this instance. Time for some new tactics, perhaps?

[Clegg]

oh btw, I have 2 brits and 0 canadians in my favs. I am a TRUE boxing fan. your posts are more to boost your country than to talk about actual boxing whereas I'm a boxing fan first and foremost.

Ok then Mr Brawl in Montreal.

[Clegg]

Before the fight:

big up Hopkins all you want but don't go saying Calzaghe beat an out of prime Hopkins and shouldn't of even fought him in the first place.

I promise not to say that.

After the fight:

Calzaghe beat an out of prime hopkins and shouldn't of even fought him in the first place.

[Puya]

Calzaghe is way overrated. He has yet to beat an elite boxer. How is he rated in the top 2 or 3 p4p? What has he done? I mean if he is so good, why hasn't he fought a great fighter. Kessler is the best he's fought and Kessler is barely an above average boxer. I'm not saying that Calzaghe is bad, but one of the best p4p? I don't think he belongs in the top 10 even. If he gets into the ring with Hopkins, Pavlik, Taylor, or Wright and beats either one of them, than he belongs, otherwise, he is way too overrated.

LOL you are basically a hater. I love watching JC.

Hopkins is Overrated. he beat a smaller Tito and Oscar(WW's). He couldn't beat Taylor (twice), RJJ, JC and in my eyes he lost a close fight vs Winky a smaller guys as well.

[KnockoutTheFat]

Holy crap this thread has 64 pages. Epic. Kswizzy might be the new catskills.

[daggum]

calzaghe is undefeated. that means he has zero losses and cannot be beat. why is he fighting a guy with 4 losses. this is an outrage.

[fightnews55]

-Slappa!-_

[-Swizzy-]

No, look, until Lacy-Taylor was going to happen, you didn't seem to think that Lacy was any good at all. The idea that he's now a cut above the rest of Calzaghe's opposition is just a case of revisionism on your part.

Tell me, who won more rounds against Calzaghe, was it Bika, Salem, or Lacy? But of course, Lacy is suddenly better than he was a few weeks ago...

Is Lacy top 5 at SMW? I don't think so. But that's not the point. The point is that when Calzaghe spent his career consistently beating the best at SMW, it was meaningless to you because you didn't rate the guys in the division. Your basic attitude was: Who cares if they're the best, if the best aren't any good?

Let's see what you thought earlier this year



So, according to your criteria that you have selected, Lacy just isn't that good. I mean, if being the best at SMW doesn't mean anything, then being the 5th best is worth even less, especially when most would say that Lacy is not top 5.

This isn't me saying that Lacy is no good, this is you saying that Lacy is no good.

I get the feeling that because of this, you'll soon be deciding that there is some other way of twisting things so that Lacy looks like a better choice of opposition, so let's cut down your wriggle room a bit more:











Your aim is to make Calzaghe look as bad as possible, and make Taylor look as good as possible. So you spent months talking about how bad Lacy was, and now you have to completely backtrack and come up with this "but he's the 5th best SMW!" crap.


You go on about facts and delusions, but I'm the one using facts, and you're the one taking random guesses about the race and nationality of my favourite fighters.

I've mentioned your nationalist bias and pointed out facts supporting my argument. You've gone a step further, accusing me of national and racial bias, and yet you have no evidence whatsoever.

Now, if I were in your position, I would've tried to find out the facts, rather than just guessing at what I want to be true. I would've looked at:
1)Sig and avatar
2)Groups joined
3)Threads started

So let's do that. Let's look at the facts that were readily available to you.

My sig: Oh look, it's Chris Eubank, that well known white guy.

Look at the groups that I am a member of
Team Cotto (not British or white)
The Cottolition (as above)
Team Haye (not white)
Team Tyson (not British or white)
Tye Fields (not British)

I am a member of the 'British Boxers' group, however if you look (which you can, because it's not set to private) you'll see that there is only one boxer that I've mentioned in there: Kell Brook, who is black.

Ok, 2 down, 3 to go. So far, not so good, but maybe I've been starting a lot of threads about Calzaghe and Hatton or something...

A complete list of fighters that I have started threads on

Calderon
Amir Khan
Freddy Norwood
Sugar Ray Robinson
DLH vs Pac
Hopkins
DLH-Tito
Soto
Khan
Tye Fields
Alex Arthur
Khan-Rees
Chris Samardin
Johnny Nelson-David Haye

So that ruins your theory completely, doesn't it? 1 thread on a white British boxer out of 14.

My 3 favourite British fighters right now are Calzaghe, Khan and Brook. One white guy, one Asian guy, one black guy. If we're talking all time then Hamed and Benn come above anyone else. Take a look here if you don't believe me and you'll see that I also picked Abraham and Vitali ahead any other British fighter, white or otherwise.

Sorry, but a "I know you are but what am I" response doesn't really work in this instance. Time for some new tactics, perhaps?

oh god. what is your goal exactly? to put as many ridiculous statements in one post as possible? it says under your name that you are bored and I would say probably so, considering the amount of time you take to obsessively look through ppl's profile and answer posts(with your own twist). I wish I was the kind of person that would use the strategy of using nonsense to support my arguments but I'm not. I'll just answer your obsession with the Lacy-Taylor thing. Lacy is a top 5 smw OK? Taylor is a MIDDLEWEIGHT and he is moving up a division and instead of taking some tuneup or confidence building fights to see if he could fight at that weight division like most fighters do, he fights a top 5 mw who is in his natural division. and yes, Lacy isn't all that great, but he is a top 5 smw cuz that division is awful. I really don't understand what angle you are taking with that but it doesn't make sense. the rest of your post is equally ridiculous and mind boggling.

[-Swizzy-]

calzaghe will be proven overrated Nov 8th when a shot Jones dominates and defeats him.

[VaBoriKua 2.0]

I Agree With You I Think Calzaghe Is Way Over Rated. I Think Hes Been Some Good Opponents In Kezler And Lacy And He Did Sneak Out A Win Against One Of The Greatest Middle Weights Of All Time (even Though Hes 43) But Still Its Like Kezler Is Good But If You Would Have Put Him Against Taylor Or Pavlik Or Hopkins Or Roy Jones One Of The Top Elite Guys The Same Thing Woulda Happened To Him He Woulda Probably Been Out Of There Sooner. Lacy 2 He Was Good But He Was Never All Dat To The Level Of Superstar Put Him Against An Elite And He Woulda Lost Way Earlier. I Think He Deserves To Be On The Pound For Pound List But Not So High. My Top 10 But Not In Order Are:

Pacquiao
Cotto
Margarito
Hopkins
Calderon
Izrael Vazques
Juan Manuel Marquez
Pavlik
Calzaghe
Mosley

Again Not In Order But Calzaghe Would Probably Be Like 7 Or 8