Who's A More Complete Fighter Pernell or Floyd?

[Steak]

Man, there is some serious lack of knowledge on this forum!

Whittaker lost to Joe Luis Ramirez for the WBC lightweight title as he made the the step up to world level. Pay attention people!!

Anyway, Brandish you sais "I call bull****, floyd does not show off in the ring, nor does he juke and jive like sweet pea did. there's a reason why floyd is undefeated and sweet pea wasn't"

The reason for that was because Sweet Pea fought a much higher level of opposition to Floyd, plain and simple! You cant seriously compare Castillo or Corrales to Julio Cesar Chavez, Ramirez or Nelson when talking about Lightweight opposition and you can't compare Gatti, Judah or Baldomir to Oscar or McGirt when talking about Welterweight opposition.

Whittaker's resume speaks for itself and consider the fact that 3 of his 4 defeats came when he was shot and in the twightlight of his career. There is no comparrison or argument in my eyes.

Pernell all the way baby!!!

Dumbass, anyone whos seen that first fight with Ramizrez knows it was a pretty damn bad robbery. most people count the 'draw' with Chavez a win, and I also consider that 'loss' to Ramirez a win. I dont consider the DLH fight a robbery, because a very good amount of people think DLH won, and it was an extremely close fight.
Ive never heard anyone say that Ramirez won that 1st fight, out of those who have seen it. so thats as good as a win in my book.

[Wiley Hyena]

Half of what you mention is not fundamantals, its natural talent, which Ali has in huge amounts

Ali is flawed anyway you look at him.

Incredible defense? come on leaning away from punches is not good defense, it's something he could get away with because he was a freak of nature.

....bull****.....

[Easy-E]

I voted for Pernell but the more I think about it, Floyd has a better offensive attack, and is more well balanced than Pernell, who was far more defensive minded.

[shawn_]

We will have to agree to disagree on this. Ali had great boxing skills and superior athletic talent to boot. That's why he is an all time great.
1. Great jab, which he could double into a short left hook in the blink of an eye.
2. Very fast straight right hand, that he looped in behind the jab to hurt or knock out his opponents.
3. Great defense. He was a master in picking off punches with his gloves and his foot speed in his prime was such that he could move into range and out like a middle weight. He was adept at all sorts of defensive devices. A master of the art of defense.
4. Blurringly fast combinations. He could mix straights with hooks in the same salvo. He could also mix up combinations to include the body and the head.
5. Deceptively powerful puncher. Could stun opponents even when he was going backwards. Could legitimately stun opponents with his jab.
6. Excellent vision. It was a rare for an opponent to be able to hit Ali without Ali seeing the punch.
7. Capitialized on a very good reach with footspeed and quickness.
8. Phenomenal punching accuracy.
9. Almost invulnerable to body shots. IF he was ever hurt by a body shot, he never showed it in the ring. Effective at using his arms to cover his ribs while at the same time covering his face when electing to go inside or was on the ropes.
10. Fought on his toes or sat back on his punches according to his needs at the time.
11. Very effective at nullifying an opponent's power and attack by using his arms to interfere with their attempts to punch.
12. Used ring movement to frustrate opponents and nullify their power.

This is just 12. There are more skills I could name but I think you get the general idea.

Nope. Ali was not incredibly incomplete. He was incredibly complete.

Nearly everything you listed falls into the category of athletic ability. Ali was notoriously bad at picking off punches with his gloves. He couldn't even catch a jab. (See Ali v Norton). He was a freak of athletic ability, much in the same way Roy Jones was. Ali was able to do what he did because of his athleticism. If Ali was able to do what he did because he had sound fundamentals, he would have continued to be a slick fighter well into his later career (see Bernard Hopkins)

Ali operated on pure ability and pure intelligence. devising strategies to overcome disadvantages in fundamental skills he had.(see the Rope-a-Dope).

Note: I am not inferring Ali isn't the #1 heavyweight of all time, because in my view he is, but there is a difference between between being the most technically sound fighter, and being the best fighter. Ali was the best, not the most complete, not the most fundamentally sound, but the best none the less.

[Wiley Hyena]

Nearly everything you listed falls into the category of athletic ability. Ali was notoriously bad at picking off punches with his gloves. He couldn't even catch a jab. (See Ali v Norton). He was a freak of athletic ability, much in the same way Roy Jones was. Ali was able to do what he did because of his athleticism. If Ali was able to do what he did because he had sound fundamentals, he would have continued to be a slick fighter well into his later career (see Bernard Hopkins)

Ali operated on pure ability and pure intelligence. devising strategies to overcome disadvantages in fundamental skills he had.(see the Rope-a-Dope)

.........this is idiocy.........

[shawn_]

Please explain.

[Grydahz]

Pernell in his prime would dominate floyd. All the floyd fans deep down inside know that Pernell would win. That's why they're always comparing floyd to pernell. Pernell is just better accept it.

[Amir K Shareef]

Pernell in his prime would dominate floyd. All the floyd fans deep down inside know that Pernell would win. That's why they're always comparing floyd to pernell. Pernell is just better accept it.

lol he would not be close to dominating mayweather..pernell wouldnt hit him his arms are to short and whenever he got in close floyd would unleash oh his 5'3 midget ass.

[niceguy45]

pernell all day and night

[wmute]

....bull****.....

I should say bull****. You are calling speed, power, reach fundamentals. They are not fundamentals.

You have no answer to me and the other poster, so you resort to 1 word replies without even attempting a rebuttal. Good luck with that.