Who's A More Complete Fighter Pernell or Floyd?

[Tuggers1986]

Whitaker chose to trade, and still didnt get hit. Floyd chooses to stay at range to not get hit.

Post of the day!!!!

****in awesome quote!

[FIGHTING_FLIP]

id say floyd might have more power then pernell..everything else would be even..i was just watching mcgirt vs whitaker last night and floyd vs pernell would be one of the best match ups of all time

[shawn_]

Its like comparing an Station Wagon and a Ferrari.

You can do more things well with the Station Wagon, but you are NEVER going to beat the Ferrari in the race, even though the Ferrari is more limited in what you can do with it.

It doesn't matter that the Ferrari can't carry a family of 5.
Floyd is the Station Wagon, Pernell is the Ferrari.

Floyd can do a lot of things pretty well, but Pernell is so much better at what he does, that his limitations don't matter.

[Wiley Hyena]

I think people are confusing completeness with skill and ability.

Floyd is more of a jack of all trades that Whitaker was, therefore Floyd is the more complete fighter.

Floyd is NOT as skilled as Whitaker.
Floyd is more complete than Whitaker.

I think I kinda understand where you're coming from Shawn, but the line between "completeness" and "skill and ability" is very thin. Too thin to serve as an argument regarding top flight boxers. And, it also depends upon one's definition of those terms.

[TheGloveGame101]

Floyd is much more offensively rounded than Pernell...
Whitaker concentrated solely on defense and was generally feather fisted... He once accidentaly hit a referee and failed to even daze him

[Wiley Hyena]

Please explain.

I've already explained. Your arguments regarding Floyd are somewhat thought provoking, but to then insert the proclamation that Ali was "incredibly" bad fundamentally starches your other arguments with discredit. Ali was a brilliant tactitioner of the boxing art. It's almost embarassing to have to say this. Have you ever read anything by Ferdi Pacheco or listened to what Angelo Dundee said about Ali? If you don't want to give me the credit, then read some publications by noted pros and analysts. I'm not the only one who thinks Ali was fundamentally sound! lol

[Wiley Hyena]

I should say bull****. You are calling speed, power, reach fundamentals. They are not fundamentals.

You have no answer to me and the other poster, so you resort to 1 word replies without even attempting a rebuttal. Good luck with that.

Where did I say speed, power, and reach are "fundamentals"? IF you're going to comment on my post, at least read it carefully enough to know what I said. I was talking about Ali's natural attributes which enhanced his boxing skills. I furthermore cited a number of specific skills of which he was adept. Shawn stated that Ali was fundamentally unsound. I think that statement is fundamentally unsound.

[wmute]

Where did I say speed, power, and reach are "fundamentals"? IF you're going to comment on my post, at least read it carefully enough to know what I said. I was talking about Ali's natural attributes which enhanced his boxing skills. I furthermore cited a number of specific skills of which he was adept. Shawn stated that Ali was fundamentally unsound. I think that statement is fundamentally unsound.

As I said in my post, half of what you mention as fundamentals are not fundamentals. Obviously Ali was not a freak of nature with no clue, otherwise he would not have done what he has done. Still Ali did a ton of things "wrong" and got hit like crazy in the 70s.

[Wiley Hyena]

As I said in my post, half of what you mention as fundamentals are not fundamentals. Obviously Ali was not a freak of nature with no clue, otherwise he would not have done what he has done. Still Ali did a ton of things "wrong" and got hit like crazy in the 70s.

Where did I state that reach, power, and speed were "fundamentals"? That's ridiculous. lol There's nothing more to argue here. Ali was fundamentally sound. Period.

Ali didn't get hit because "he did things wrong." Ali got hit because he was a boxer and he was in with some of the greatest competition of any era. You are essentially saying that since Ali "got hit", he was fundamentally unsound. That argument is what is fundamentally unsound.

[Vladimir303]

Floyd is obviously better. Floyd's defense is better for longevity. Pernell's defense was great too but it was totally different and it worked based on pure reflexes and athleticism. Once he got older his defense wasn't as effective anymore . Smoking Crack didn't help either. Floyd's defense would work even when he is past his prime just like Hopkins's and Winky's defense.........It's more based on fundementals then natural ability.

Offense......again floyd is a lil better overall. More punching power then pernell even as he keept moving up in weight. Pernell was always on a Pauli Malinaggi, Cory spinks level of punching power.

And let's not forget the overall phisique....Floyd is 5'8 with 72" reach and Pernell is only 5'6 with a 27" reach. A great big boxer always beats a great little boxer. Pernell with his reach and height would have to have a totally different style to bother floyd.