Why Jack Johnson is Not as Great as You We’re Told

[Willie Pep 229]

I'm unfamiliar with the Franklin story so cannot comment on it

. Im also unfamiliar with the Cleveland Street scandal,but just what exactly would it have to do with Free Masonry?
Lord Randolph Churchill? I don't know if he was a Mason or not.So again what is the relevance of this snippet of information? Randolph Churchiil died of syphilis that much I do know about him.
Free Masonry is not a secret society this is a common misperception made by those ignorant of the craft
.Rather it is a society of secrets.
Since it hasn't been established that any of these named,with the exception of Franklin were Masons
.I dont see any case to answer I'm afraid.
I can't tell you what rank I hold. suffice to say I have been in Masonry for 25 years and am a little above "a worker ant," not that brethren are judged by their rank or the ***els they have earned.
I will tell you that in the last 10 years my Mother Lodge and another friendly Lodge,have raised nearly £300,000 for charity. in our particular case, principally for handicapped children. Our fund raising activities for various charities are of course regularly interrupted for sessions of Devil Worrying, and Kid Fiddling but DR Z can bring you up to date on that ,he has all the info anyone would need to get the real lowdown on us.


EDIT.Just looked up the Cleveland Street Scandal.

The Cleveland Street scandal occurred in 1889, when a ****sexual male brothel and house of assignation on Cleveland Street, London, was discovered by police. The government was accused of covering up the scandal to protect the names of aristocratic and other prominent patrons.

At the time, sexual acts between men were illegal in Britain, and the brothel's clients faced possible prosecution and certain social ostracism if discovered. It was rumoured that Prince Albert Victor, the eldest son of the Prince of Wales and second-in-line to the British throne, had visited, though this has never been substantiated. Unlike overseas newspapers, the British press never named Albert Victor, but the allegation influenced the handling of the case by the authorities^[1] and has coloured biographers' perceptions of him since.

The police acquired testimonies that Lord Arthur Somerset, an equerry to the Prince of Wales, was a patron.^[2] Both he and the brothel keeper, Charles Hammond, managed to flee abroad before a prosecution could be brought. The male **********s, who also worked as telegraph messenger boys for the Post Office, were given light sentences and no clients were prosecuted. After Henry James FitzRoy, Earl of Euston, was named in the press as a client, he successfully sued for libel.

The scandal fuelled the attitude that male ****sexuality was an aristocratic vice that corrupted lower-class youths. Such perceptions were still prevalent in 1895 when the Marquess of Queensberry accused Oscar Wilde of being an active ****sexual.
I can't see any evidence that any of those involved were Masons,nor is the word Freemasonry or Masons mentioned .
So ,in the words of old Will," MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING".
Nice talking with you.

Good post - why the sarcastic last line? That wasn't necessary.

I know the Cleveland Street scandal quite well you didn't need to post the Wikie page.

Yea the Free Masons have been much unfairly maligned.

As I said in the above post they suffer from that problem of having 'secret' associated with their name. That opens the door for every conspiracy nut to run with all kinds of unsubstantiated accusations. It has been the organization's burden since the 1800s.

I have heard many times the difference between a secret organization and an organization with secrets. I well understand your point. I was just busting you a little.

Also I know that the Free Masonry has been very charitable throught its history.

In the case of Churchill I was bringing up the bogus connection between the Masons and the Ripper murders, a stink that has been unfairly placed on them ever since Harry Dam of the socialist rag The Star first placed it on them back in 1888. I tell will tell you about how that came about if you have an interest. Let me know.

There is one connection with the murders that opened the door for all the speculation. Sir Charles Warren, Metropolitan Police Commisioner (1886-1888), was a high ranking Mason (I believe there is even a lodge named after him in either South Africa or India, that operates to this day) and when he failed to solve the Ripper murders and was accused (unfairly) of destroying evidence he was forced to resign, thus the conspiracy nuts have been trying to lay the Ripper Murders (again unfairly) at the door step of the Masons ever since.

The probable truth about the Ripper is that he was a low life living in the Whitchapel ****** and is not a very interesting character. But bring in the Free Masons and boy now you got yourself a great Hollywood movie, e.g The Final Solution, Murder by Decree, and From Hell are all such unsubstantiated nonsense films.

And so the legend plays on and on. Most of the current youth generation can't separate the Illuminati from the Masons. Sad but such ignorance is amusing if your not affected by it.

[Ivich]

He drew the color line vs Langford, Jeannette and McVey. His top three contenders for many years ( 1908-1915 ). No with fights Wills when Jack was champion or after he was champion either He did not fight Gunboat Smith either who knocked Johnson silly to the point where he manger stopped the ex match in 1909. Smith of course beat Langford! A prime Langford whom Johnson avoided. He beat Willard, Moran, Tony Ross and Flynn. ( Johnson's title opponents ). He wasn't the white hope however that Johnson was looking for and surprise never got a title match himself.

Did not re-match O'Brien or Jim Battling either and he arguably lost both fights that are ruled a draw. Watch out now! Ivich is coming in 3...2...1

Ground Hog Day yet again! He signed to fight all three and the fights were pulled due to circumstances beyond his control.
This is irrefutable and undeniable!
Wills was not a top contender when Johnson was champion.
After Johnson lost his title he remained in exile from the US where he was subject to arrest.
What incentive was there for Wills to travel to wherever the now 38 years old Johnson was residing?
Johnson was knocked down in a spar with Smith whoop de doo! Give him a title shot!
Just like Marciano did whenToxie Hall knocked him down!
Just like Tyson did when Greg Page knocked him down!
Just like Vitali did when both Travis Walker and Raphael Butler knocked him down!
FYI Johnson boxed two more opponents that day after Smith knocked him down, so how just bad was that kd?
Smith was kod by Langford in 3 rds and floored by young super middle Carpentier ,beaten byDenver Ed Martin whom Johnson had ko'd . I'm sure Johnson was trembling in his boots at the thought of facing him! There was zero demand for rematches with either
O Brien or Battling Jim .

[Ivich]

Good post - why the sarcastic last line? That wasn't necessary.

I know the Cleveland Street scandal quite well you didn't need to post the Wikie page.

Yea the Free Masons have been much unfairly maligned.

As I said in the above post they suffer from that problem of having 'secret' associated with their name. That opens the door for every conspiracy nut to run with all kinds of unsubstantiated accusations. It has been the organization's burden since the 1800s.

I have heard many times the difference between a secret organization and an organization with secrets. I well understand your point. I was just busting you a little.

Also I know that the Free Masonry has been very charitable throught its history.

In the case of Churchill I was bringing up the bogus connection between the Masons and the Ripper murders, a stink that has been unfairly placed on them ever since Harry Dam of the socialist rag The Star first placed it on them back in 1888. I tell will tell you about how that came about if you have an interest. Let me know.

There is one connection with the murders that opened the door for all the speculation. Sir Charles Warren, Metropolitan Police Commisioner (1886-1888), was a high ranking Mason (I believe there is even a lodge named after him in either South Africa or India, that operates to this day) and when he failed to solve the Ripper murders and was accused (unfairly) of destroying evidence he was forced to resign, thus the conspiracy nuts have been trying to lay the Ripper Murders (again unfairly) at the door step of the Masons ever since.

The probable truth about the Ripper is that he was a low life living in the Whitchapel ****** and is not a very interesting character. But bring in the Free Masons and boy now you got yourself a great Hollywood movie, e.g The Final Solution, Murder by Decree, and From Hell are all such unsubstantiated nonsense films.

And so the legend plays on and on. Most of the current youth generation can't separate the Illuminati from the Masons. Sad but such ignorance is amusing if your not affected by it.

Nice talking to you was the last line.Sarcastic? No sarcasm was intended. I enjoyed your post and yes I've seen some of those silly movies.

[Ivich]

I own and have read Moyle's book. Of course you glossed over the actual video footage that proves my position. Jeannette and McVey relied heavily on clinching and using their size and weight.

You're back on politics again. My president took showers with his daughter...she thought they were inappropriate, he sniffs and touches young girls inappropriately. He's had at least 7 women file sexual harassment and assault accusations against him. The party that "believes all women" certainly didn't believe them. You can connect the dots on that one, or continue to bury your head in the sand while insisting no one else knows what they are talking about. We are all just unkempt slobs who have an agenda against Johnson, and are ignorant for not bowing down at the alter of Ivich.

Allegations of child sex ******ation are a prominent part of the QAnon conspiracy theory that suggests a "deep state" is working against President Trump’s success.

The posts were flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

We found no credible evidence that supports this claim. Pedophilia is characterized by an obsession of seeing children as sex objects, according to Nolo’s Plain English Law Dictionary: "A person who acts upon this obsession, by ******ing a child, taking explicit photographs, and performing other acts specified by law, is guilty of a crime."

In *****’s more than 40 years of public life — including two prior runs for the ********ic presidential nomination and eight years as vice president — there have been no formal accusations, complaints, arrests or investigations that implicate him in any sort of sex crimes involving kids."

Please tell me you aren't part of that loony group QAnon? Though it would explain a lot if you are!

[GhostofDempsey]

Allegations of child sex ******ation are a prominent part of the QAnon conspiracy theory that suggests a "deep state" is working against President Trump’s success.

The posts were flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

We found no credible evidence that supports this claim. Pedophilia is characterized by an obsession of seeing children as sex objects, according to Nolo’s Plain English Law Dictionary: "A person who acts upon this obsession, by ******ing a child, taking explicit photographs, and performing other acts specified by law, is guilty of a crime."

In *****’s more than 40 years of public life — including two prior runs for the ********ic presidential nomination and eight years as vice president — there have been no formal accusations, complaints, arrests or investigations that implicate him in any sort of sex crimes involving kids."

Please tell me you aren't part of that loony group QAnon? Though it would explain a lot if you are!

The 7 women who accused ***** were not part of a QAnon conspiracy. They were real women who were shunned and dismissed. Keep defending ***** and his criminal son. ***** has a long history of racism, corruption and incompetence, you seem to fit right in.

[Willie Pep 229]

Allegations of child sex ******ation are a prominent part of the QAnon conspiracy theory that suggests a "deep state" is working against President Trump’s success.

The posts were flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

We found no credible evidence that supports this claim. Pedophilia is characterized by an obsession of seeing children as sex objects, according to Nolo’s Plain English Law Dictionary: "A person who acts upon this obsession, by ******ing a child, taking explicit photographs, and performing other acts specified by law, is guilty of a crime."

In *****’s more than 40 years of public life — including two prior runs for the ********ic presidential nomination and eight years as vice president — there have been no formal accusations, complaints, arrests or investigations that implicate him in any sort of sex crimes involving kids."

Please tell me you aren't part of that loony group QAnon? Though it would explain a lot if you are!

A brief history of American politics . . . The great fears that have moved the populace to obedience.

Witchcraft
Monarchism
Manumission
Red Savage
Xenophobia
Anarchism
Miscegenation
Socialism
Fascism
Communism
Organized Crime
Counter Culture
Terrorism
Pedophilia

Each has served well in destroying your political opponent - with some supported by a hint of reality, others created out of whole clothe, each fear exaggerated, became the great fear for a generation.

We're in the pedophilia phase now. They're hiding under every rock so watch out!

Of course you know the Mann Act . . . Its orgin is classic American politics.

Turn of the Century 1900 - Playing on the Xenophobia created by the influx of Chinese labor in California (which was no longer needed to build the railroads but we're now taking jobs) the 'slow boat to China' fear was created.

White women all over America (west coast) were being kidnapped off to China to serve as whores in Chinese brothels. Or so said a handful of west coast Congressmen.

Once the fear was deeply grounded Congress stepped up to save the day with the White-Slave Traffic Act 1910 (Mann Act).***

It is actually brilliant politics that can be played on politically dim people. First you create a fear; then create a bogus solution to that fear; then claim the crisis is over (which of course is easy to do since it never really existed or was greatly exaggerated to begin with); then you run on the issue for reelection.

Such was the Mann Act.

Trump will likely get reelected in 2024, and if he does I promise you the whole pedophilia problem will over. Trump will claim he saved us all from it, and he will be believed.

So don't worry about *****, they'll stop calling him a pervert as soon as he loses.

Funny how no one mentions Benghazi any longer. Guess it stopped being important once Hillary lost. But boy it was the most important foreign crisis for a while. LOL

*** Funny how no one in 1910 seemed too concerned about Latino, Black, or American Indian women being kidnapped. Oh right, silly me, their husband's couldn't vote.

[Ivich]

A brief history of American politics . . . The great fears that have moved the populace to obedience.

Witchcraft
Monarchism
Manumission
Red Savage
Xenophobia
Anarchism
Miscegenation
Socialism
Fascism
Communism
Organized Crime
Counter Culture
Terrorism
Pedophilia

Each has served well in destroying your political opponent - with some supported by a hint of reality, others created out of whole clothe, each fear exaggerated, became the great fear for a generation.

We're in the pedophilia phase now. They're hiding under every rock so watch out!

Of course you know the Mann Act . . . Its orgin is classic American politics.

Turn of the Century 1900 - Playing on the Xenophobia created by the influx of Chinese labor in California (which was no longer needed to build the railroads but we're now taking jobs) the 'slow boat to China' fear was created.

White women all over America (west coast) were being kidnapped off to China to serve as whores in Chinese brothels. Or so said a handful of west coast Congressmen.

Once the fear was deeply grounded Congress stepped up to save the day with the White-Slave Traffic Act 1910 (Mann Act).***

It is actually brilliant politics that can be played on politically dim people. First you create a fear; then create a bogus solution to that fear; then claim the crisis is over (which of course is easy to do since it never really existed or was greatly exaggerated to begin with); then you run on the issue for reelection.

Such was the Mann Act.

Trump will likely get reelected in 2024, and if he does I promise you the whole pedophilia problem will over. Trump will claim he saved us all from it, and he will be believed.

So don't worry about *****, they'll stop calling him a pervert as soon as he loses.

Funny how no one mentions Benghazi any longer. Guess it stopped being important once Hillary lost. But boy it was the most important foreign crisis for a while. LOL

*** Funny how no one in 1910 seemed too concerned about Latino, Black, or American Indian women being kidnapped. Oh right, silly me, their husband's couldn't vote.

Fine post!

[Ivich]

The 7 women who accused ***** were not part of a QAnon conspiracy. They were real women who were shunned and dismissed. Keep defending ***** and his criminal son. ***** has a long history of racism, corruption and incompetence, you seem to fit right in.

You called ***** a *****phile but offered not a shred of proof to support your claim

.If ***** is guilty of innapropriate behaviour towards women,adult women ,wouldn't this contradict your claim that he is sexually fixated on children?
Or do you think you can have it both ways? I'm not defending *****,I;m asking you to provide proof of your accusations,you havent,and you won't.
All we have heard from you is a lot of piss and hot air!
If I fit right in with racism how do you square that with your claim that I'm the following?
"You're a Johnson apologist. You're so deep in your admiration of the man" .
You contradict yourself with every fresh post. First turning in this direction ,then twisting in that.
I wonder how long it will be before you disappear up your own arse? You've been everywhere else!lol

[GhostofDempsey]

You called ***** a *****phile but offered not a shred of proof to support your claim

.If ***** is guilty of innapropriate behaviour towards women,adult women ,wouldn't this contradict your claim that he is sexually fixated on children?
Or do you think you can have it both ways? I'm not defending *****,I;m asking you to provide proof of your accusations,you havent,and you won't.
All we have heard from you is a lot of piss and hot air!
If I fit right in with racism how do you square that with your claim that I'm the following?
"You're a Johnson apologist. You're so deep in your admiration of the man" .
You contradict yourself with every fresh post. First turning in this direction ,then twisting in that.
I wonder how long it will be before you disappear up your own arse? You've been everywhere else!lol

You want to talk *****, go to the lounge.

I stand by my position that you are a Johnson apologist and fanboy. Otherwise you might be able to approach this thread objectively and in a more civil tone.

[ShoulderRoll]

I'm unfamiliar with the Franklin story so cannot comment on it

. Im also unfamiliar with the Cleveland Street scandal,but just what exactly would it have to do with Free Masonry?
Lord Randolph Churchill? I don't know if he was a Mason or not.So again what is the relevance of this snippet of information? Randolph Churchiil died of syphilis that much I do know about him.
Free Masonry is not a secret society this is a common misperception made by those ignorant of the craft
.Rather it is a society of secrets.
Since it hasn't been established that any of these named,with the exception of Franklin were Masons
.I dont see any case to answer I'm afraid.
I can't tell you what rank I hold. suffice to say I have been in Masonry for 25 years and am a little above "a worker ant," not that brethren are judged by their rank or the ***els they have earned.
I will tell you that in the last 10 years my Mother Lodge and another friendly Lodge,have raised nearly £300,000 for charity. in our particular case, principally for handicapped children. Our fund raising activities for various charities are of course regularly interrupted for sessions of Devil Worrying, and Kid Fiddling but DR Z can bring you up to date on that ,he has all the info anyone would need to get the real lowdown on us.


EDIT.Just looked up the Cleveland Street Scandal.

The Cleveland Street scandal occurred in 1889, when a ****sexual male brothel and house of assignation on Cleveland Street, London, was discovered by police. The government was accused of covering up the scandal to protect the names of aristocratic and other prominent patrons.

At the time, sexual acts between men were illegal in Britain, and the brothel's clients faced possible prosecution and certain social ostracism if discovered. It was rumoured that Prince Albert Victor, the eldest son of the Prince of Wales and second-in-line to the British throne, had visited, though this has never been substantiated. Unlike overseas newspapers, the British press never named Albert Victor, but the allegation influenced the handling of the case by the authorities^[1] and has coloured biographers' perceptions of him since.

The police acquired testimonies that Lord Arthur Somerset, an equerry to the Prince of Wales, was a patron.^[2] Both he and the brothel keeper, Charles Hammond, managed to flee abroad before a prosecution could be brought. The male **********s, who also worked as telegraph messenger boys for the Post Office, were given light sentences and no clients were prosecuted. After Henry James FitzRoy, Earl of Euston, was named in the press as a client, he successfully sued for libel.

The scandal fuelled the attitude that male ****sexuality was an aristocratic vice that corrupted lower-class youths. Such perceptions were still prevalent in 1895 when the Marquess of Queensberry accused Oscar Wilde of being an active ****sexual.
I can't see any evidence that any of those involved were Masons,nor is the word Freemasonry or Masons mentioned .
So ,in the words of old Will," MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING".
Nice talking with you.

Some links of interest on the sexual deviance among British aristoc****/high society.


Cecil Rhodes and His Warmongering Buggery Hegemony
https://www.winterwatch.net/2021/03/...gery-hegemony/

Pedophilia a Requirement for UK Ruling Elite
https://www.winterwatch.net/2022/06/...-ruling-elite/