Ike Ibeabuchi VS Joe Louis

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Ike fought nothing like Walcott. Creating an angle in boxing starts with punching on the move and stepping from the center line (in front of your opponent) to create space to deliver a punch your opponent does not see coming. Ike was a straight ahead fighter who tried to overwhelm his opponents with a barrage if punches. I won't say he never created angles, but that wasn't his Forte. fighters not nearly the caliber of Louis went the distance with him. Louis fought big powerful men and always won against them. Ike has never faced a fight with the skillet that Louis had. I THINK Louis wins, but neither of us is proving either would beat the other. I can prove however that Ibeabuchi fought nothing like Walcott, which seems to be the crux of your argument.

That doesn't work with me its a lie joe never fought anybody as muscler who punched from as many angles who had good tech who hit real hard in a big man so you lied and I didnt say ike fought like jers I said he punched from angles and he had good combos its clear he would destroy joe

Look at the pace and look at the trash big dudes joe fought can you really see them fighting as vicious and as tech sound from angles like ike if you can were done

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That doesn't work with me its a lie joe never fought anybody as muscler who punched from as many angles who had good tech who hit real hard in a big man so you lied and I didnt say ike fought like jers I said he punched from angles and he had good combos its clear he would destroy joe

Look at the pace and look at the trash big dudes joe fought can you really see them fighting as vicious and as tech sound from angles like ike if you can were done

Lol, again.....Ike doesn't fight from angles enough to not be called a straight ahead fighter. And you most certainly said that he would fight from angles like Walcott. Max Baer was a bigger puncher than Ike. Buddy Baer was as big as Ike and threw a lot of punches in their fights but who was knocked senseless. And what does Muscular mean in boxing? I just fought a guy who was a professional wrestler, a power lifter and had no neck and won an easy decision kickboxing last month. Both Abe Simon and Primo Carnera were huge and immensely strong, to no avail against Louis. Being muscular means nothing. Your best argument would be for Ike's propensity to keep throwing punches in bunches. I of course would rebut that by telling you Louis was a deadly counter puncher. Like I said, you're not going to prove Ike would win anymore than I can Joe. But I'm more than happy to help you learn about the mechanics of boxing and what it means to create angles.

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Lol, again.....Ike doesn't fight from angles enough to not be called a straight ahead fighter. And you most certainly said that he would fight from angles like Walcott. Max Baer was a bigger puncher than Ike. Buddy Baer was as big as Ike and threw a lot of punches in their fights but who was knocked senseless. And what does Muscular mean in boxing? I just fought a guy who was a professional wrestler, a power lifter and had no neck and won an easy decision kickboxing last month. Both Abe Simon and Primo Carnera were huge and immensely strong, to no avail against Louis. Being muscular means nothing. Your best argument would be for Ike's propensity to keep throwing punches in bunches. I of course would rebut that by telling you Louis was a deadly counter puncher. Like I said, you're not going to prove Ike would win anymore than I can Joe. But I'm more than happy to help you learn about the mechanics of boxing and what it means to create angles.

Im done with you cause you trolling you have nobody who had all what ike had who was a big man like I said which you knew you didn't before you talked to me days ago joe would be destroyed its easy to see my brother just came 5 mins ago I just showed him ike cause he never seen him and he laughed when I said they say joe could beat this man he seen the angles the power the pressure which joe never seen in 1 man

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Im done with you cause you trolling you have nobody who had all what ike had who was a big man like I said which you knew you didn't before you talked to me days ago joe would be destroyed its easy to see my brother just came 5 mins ago I just showed him ike cause he never seen him and he laughed when I said they say joe could beat this man he seen the angles the power the pressure which joe never seen in 1 man

Now, now....if I were trolling I'd be cracking wise about you showing your brother who just got off the school bus after learning to tie his shoes today and doesn't know a thing about boxing either. I'm not though. I've been educating you on the art of creating angles and how size doesn't play a huge part in this. Ike is a big guy, and he throws a lot of punches. But you're trying to make him seem like Louis and Ali rolled into one and on steroids. This just isn't true....though Ike has had people accused him of juicing before (to which I have no idea). You tried telling me Ike would create angles like Walcott, but you can't show me a fight where he ever fought like that. As I said, if you wanted to create a foundation for a solid argument it would start with Ibeabuchi's punch output. So if you're done than so be it. I hope you learned something though.

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Now, now....if I were trolling I'd be cracking wise about you showing your brother who just got off the school bus after learning to tie his shoes today and doesn't know a thing about boxing either. I'm not though. I've been educating you on the art of creating angles and how size doesn't play a huge part in this. Ike is a big guy, and he throws a lot of punches. But you're trying to make him seem like Louis and Ali rolled into one and on steroids. This just isn't true....though Ike has had people accused him of juicing before (to which I have no idea). You tried telling me Ike would create angles like Walcott, but you can't show me a fight where he ever fought like that. As I said, if you wanted to create a foundation for a solid argument it would start with Ibeabuchi's punch output. So if you're done than so be it. I hope you learned something though.

remember we argeed on jers I have no reason to not argee on joe beating ike if I seen joe would move good enough to land have you noticed that or do you think I'm a person who likes to not argee just to do it

It is no educating me on anything cause im not the one who acts blind im the educator for you but you won't see you wont even prove me wrong by video of somebody joe fought cause it doesn't exist

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remember we argeed on jers I have no reason to not argee on joe beating ike if I seen joe would move good enough to land have you noticed that or do you think I'm a person who likes to not argee just to do it

It is no educating me on anything cause im not the one who acts blind im the educator for you but you won't see you wont even prove me wrong by video of somebody joe fought cause it doesn't exist

Yes, I think you're a person who likes to not agree just to do it. Yes we agreed on Walcott. But for some reason you think Ibeabuchi could emulate that style. He never did it before, so I find it hard to believe he could do it against Louis. The fact is, Ike never created angles or moves like Walcott, and that has been your argument as to why he would win. Louis did however beat big powerful men who could punch. None of them threw as many punches as Ike as far as I can see, but Ike never fought a fighter like Louis before. You cannot say with any surety he could do this against Louis. But you're insistent you know Ike would win. You don't have a crystal ball, and you have yet to learn how to evaluate a fighters style. Ike's ste appeals to you against the limited fighters you've seen him against....cool. it's still not proof.

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Yes, I think you're a person who likes to not agree just to do it. Yes we agreed on Walcott. But for some reason you think Ibeabuchi could emulate that style. He never did it before, so I find it hard to believe he could do it against Louis. The fact is, Ike never created angles or moves like Walcott, and that has been your argument as to why he would win. Louis did however beat big powerful men who could punch. None of them threw as many punches as Ike as far as I can see, but Ike never fought a fighter like Louis before. You cannot say with any surety he could do this against Louis. But you're insistent you know Ike would win. You don't have a crystal ball, and you have yet to learn how to evaluate a fighters style. Ike's ste appeals to you against the limited fighters you've seen him against....cool. it's still not proof.

Thats a lie I dont disagree and I never said ike had the same style I said he used mutiple punch angles which were way more advanced i didn't say those exact word but I did say jers used punch angles which wasn't as advanced but those angles he used did give joe trouble while jers was moving he was picking him off easy and countering him

And I dont know why you keep using that dumb quote of joe beat big dudes he beat slow stiff big dudes he never beat a big tech sound hard hitting good at combos big man so that quote means nothing its not impressive

And how did ike never fight anybody like joe if he fought mutiple people way more advanced then him and not stiff and slow so that's another dumb quote you said that you shouldn't have

I dont need a ball i can the advances in style and tech its easy to see with good vision or glasses i wish you would get some

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Thats a lie I dont disagree and I never said ike had the same style I said he used mutiple punch angles which were way more advanced i didn't say those exact word but I did say jers used punch angles which wasn't as advanced but those angles he used did give joe trouble while jers was moving he was picking him off easy and countering him

And I dont know why you keep using that dumb quote of joe beat big dudes he beat slow stiff big dudes he never beat a big tech sound hard hitting good at combos big man so that quote means nothing its not impressive

And how did ike never fight anybody like joe if he fought mutiple people way more advanced then him and not stiff and slow so that's another dumb quote you said that you shouldn't have

I dont need a ball i can the advances in style and tech its easy to see with good vision or glasses i wish you would get some

What fighter did Ike fight that was more technically advanced than Louis, and when did Ike create these angles to any degree Walcott did? He threw a lot of punches and came straight ahead more times than not. You're right, it's all on film. I would never say Ike wouldn't give him trouble, but you are failing to see the other side of the coin.

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What fighter did Ike fight that was more technically advanced than Louis, and when did Ike create these angles to any degree Walcott did? He threw a lot of punches and came straight ahead more times than not. You're right, it's all on film. I would never say Ike wouldn't give him trouble, but you are failing to see the other side of the coin.

Well since ike didn't have many matches only leaves these 2 marion

Marion A jabber who was good at shots from range and circling around and picker but slow puncher

Chris one of the most underrated hws of all time was limited with ike cause he was careful cause
ike was so dangerous so Chris wasnt as flashy there but he still picked shots good

Chris was a flashy type that with most he could pick angles great and look flashy doing it almost in the style of a young floyd Chris was amazing when he be flashy

Both these dudes especially Chris is way more tech advanced then joe ever was you asked I answered you have no match where even when Chris wasnt flashy where joe is picking shots as fast or as smoothly as Chris did while a person was moving which matters the most

All you have is stiff slow people joe fought and the people Joe did fight like jers and bill he never hit them much while they were moving and still never even when they were standing where joe needed them look as smooth or as confident as Chris did

Its no other side cause joe was in a outdated era compare now if joe had been in a 70s he would be way more advanced but even then I still can't give him any chance cause he still would be the same weight range

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Well since ike didn't have many matches only leaves these 2 marion

Marion A jabber who was good at shots from range and circling around and picker but slow puncher

Chris one of the most underrated hws of all time was limited with ike cause he was careful cause
ike was so dangerous so Chris wasnt as flashy there but he still picked shots good

Chris was a flashy type that with most he could pick angles great and look flashy doing it almost in the style of a young floyd Chris was amazing when he be flashy

Both these dudes especially Chris is way more tech advanced then joe ever was you asked I answered you have no match where even when Chris wasnt flashy where joe is picking shots as fast or as smoothly as Chris did while a person was moving which matters the most

All you have is stiff slow people joe fought and the people Joe did fight like jers and bill he never hit them much while they were moving and still never even when they were standing where joe needed them look as smooth or as confident as Chris did

Its no other side cause joe was in a outdated era compare now if joe had been in a 70s he would be way more advanced but even then I still can't give him any chance cause he still would be the same weight range

Well you are probably the only person on this planet who thinks any of Ike's opponents were more technically proficient than Joe Louis. I'd be happy to read some articles about this if you could post them up for us. Hell, I'd be happy to read any articles about ANY heavyweight being g more technically advanced than Louis. Post em if you got em.