Ike Ibeabuchi VS Joe Louis

[Welsh Jon]

I fail to see how Ike would be a stylistic nightmare for Louis. Surely Louis counter punches Ike all day long?

[StarshipTrooper]

AHe was indeed a bigger puncher than Ike.

Except Baer was 6'3" (for the height obsessed out there) and had an 81" reach :hah9:

[Sugar Adam Ali]

We don't know about the hundred punches a round because they didn't keep punch stats back then. It's certainly just as possible Louis did face someone that active as not. As for size, strength, endurance, and chin, look no further than Max Baer. He was certainly a bigger puncher than Ike, was only legitimately KOed by Louis himself, and was just as physically imposing as Ike.

They didnt have punch stats then, but they do have footage, and tons of news articles, and nowhere have i ever read or seen an account of a louis opponent throwing 100 punches a round,,,
Ike set the record, so i highly doubt there have been many heavys with that type of punch output

[QUOTE=billeau2;14149282]

We are not talking about resumes, styles is what I'm basing this on. Ike would be bigger, stronger, had a chin, great stamina, great work rate,, throwing a 100 punches a round every round would cause Louis trouble. And for the record I too would take a prime Witherspoon but lyles gets laid out



Agreed about Witherspoon and Lyle.

You think Tua hit harder than Louis? thats at the very least debatable.

Work rate in general back then was much greater. Endurance and punches thrown was not a real issue. Louis fought a lot of guys who had those qualities, the fact that he never specifically fought a volume puncher with a great chin in combo is that really relevant? he fought Conn for example, who was a problem for him, until he wasn't. He fought Galeinta who had a great beard and dealt with it.

The substance of your argument suggests that the mere fact that a great fighter like Louis, because he never dealt with a specific combo of the traits Ibuchi had, would be flumoxed by Ibuchi. The fact of the matter is that even when an older Louis fought guys like Charles, Walcott and Marciano...the only time Louis was really at a disadvantage gained by a matchup of style & technique was the Schmelling fight. And this disadvantage was not because of Schmelling's chin, nor was it due to a volume of blows thrown by Max....it was specifically a technical foible involving Louis telegraphing his right.

Also, generally speaking guys threw a lot more punches, this was established by counting punches per a round in fights from that era. I was thinking of using Max also. Max was, among other things, a better version of Tua. Tua the left hook and Max the right.....He was indeed a bigger puncher than Ike.

No thats not my point,, my point was that tua is a huge puncher and universally recognized as one of the top 100 ATG PUNCHERS by ring, espn, etc. And tua threw and landed his hardest shots for 12 rounds and didnt hurt ike...

In terms of max,, comparing max to tua has no bearing on a fight between ike and joe,,, I just used tua to show that ike had great stamina and chin, since he took flush punches for 12 rounds from a guy universally agreed upon as being one of the top 100 ATG punchers

Like i said before, this would look like a cotto-margs heavyweight version, with louis outboxing ike, but eventually get overwhelmed with the 100 punches a round barrage from ike

Resumes dont win you fights,, styles win you fights, and i think ike's rare style of being physical, powerful, stamina, chin, workrate...
People act like he was this slow plodding brawler, but in reality he was the only guy to corner and ko a prime byrd who went on to be the 3rd best heavy behind wlad, and vitali, and neither one could take out byrd the next 2 years after ike did in 5... Grant it wlad did stop byrd but that was much later down the road when byrd's best days were behind them

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I fail to see how Ike would be a stylistic nightmare for Louis. Surely Louis counter punches Ike all day long?

Ya, your probably right, but ike may not be effected by it and stalk louis down.
Ike had an incredible chin similar to oliver mccall

I have said all along that louis would get his shots off and probably outbox ike the majority of the time,, I just think ike would be able to withstand it, and eventually overwhelm louis around 8th or 9th round

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Try as you will, but I've noticed, the fanboy fantasy threads all seem to appear during the school holidays, then seem to drag on and on without any intervention whatsoever

BS provide a fantasy fight section for the little ones, so why, as learned adults, are we having to act as babysitters.. Put them in a play pen, and let them get on with it
Most kids don't like vegetables, mainly because of what they look like, or the fact, they've never tried any.. They'll discredit a tomato because it's got pips in it, and they won't eat porridge because there aren't any choccy bits..
But as they grow and mature, all of these things become quite acceptable, quite tasty even!.. No more caking things in ketchup and artificial colourings
However, they do learn.... Eventually

WTF,, is this your ray corso impersonation

Its not like im talking about butterbean,, disagree thats fine, i totally understand, but lets not act like im not trying to use some sort of logic to come to my conclusion

[billeau2]

Ya, your probably right, but ike may not be effected by it and stalk louis down.
Ike had an incredible chin similar to oliver mccall

I have said all along that louis would get his shots off and probably outbox ike the majority of the time,, I just think ike would be able to withstand it, and eventually overwhelm louis around 8th or 9th round

oliver mccall.....another one that given the right fate would have been an ATG. Somewhere in another universe Witherspoon never met King, Mccall never met crack, and Ibuchi never met the young lady he fell so hard for....and their aint no big heavyweights rulin the roost!

[Sugar Adam Ali]

oliver mccall.....another one that given the right fate would have been an ATG. Somewhere in another universe Witherspoon never met King, Mccall never met crack, and Ibuchi never met the young lady he fell so hard for....and their aint no big heavyweights rulin the roost!

yeah pretty much,,, didnt witherspoon get cracked out too or was he just turning into a fatboy by not training

[mickey malone]

WTF,, is this your ray corso impersonation

Its not like im talking about butterbean,, disagree thats fine, i totally understand, but lets not act like im not trying to use some sort of logic to come to my conclusion

Lol, it wasn't specifically directed at you Adam, I actually think you're a pretty good poster.. However, I do have a fair bit of empathy for Ray's frustrations.. And the history section isn't for fantasists, but my bad, as i may have confused Adam with Alex for a moment.. Ike's not relevant in comparison to Louis, and that's the end of it 4 me. Apologies for the mistaken identity, but it would help if people stop encouraging him.

[billeau2]

yeah pretty much,,, didnt witherspoon get cracked out too or was he just turning into a fatboy by not training

Lol who knows? King did such a number on him he pobably needed more than just a stiff drink.

[Anthony342]

oliver mccall.....another one that given the right fate would have been an ATG. Somewhere in another universe Witherspoon never met King, Mccall never met crack, and Ibuchi never met the young lady he fell so hard for....and their aint no big heavyweights rulin the roost!

Well we're almost at that point with one big heavyweight retired. In probably a couple to a few years, Wlad will probably retire too.