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  • #41
    Holyfield would win a war because of his slightly better all around game...

    If evander stands and trades like he did bowe1, then he would probably get outworked and beat by frazier, but if evander boxes from the outside like he did foreman, bowe 2, i think he would outpoint frazier

    Classic fight

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    • #42
      Two of my all time favorites here.

      Holyfield I go with also. One of the best counter punchers, once you wanted to try and hit Holyfield is when he would start beating you at your own game.
      Very good counter puncher and combination puncher. He's held his own against big punchers in his career, and beat them too.

      Both greatly conditioned.

      Since Frazier never got cut it goes to decision after a long grueling fight.

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      • #43
        oh my goodness.

        me. i win. two of my favorites.
        The D3vil The D3vil likes this.

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        • #44
          Holyfield i would say

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          • #45
            Originally posted by -2 Scrappy- View Post
            Damn good fight between i think two of the most underrated heavyweights of all time. I think head to head they both beat Holmes who people have at #2 and 3 of all time.

            Damn good match up. Evander is a terrible match up for guys like tyson and frazier since he's the bully on the inside. But unlike tyson frazier is a cardio machine who would keep throwing this would be a ATG classic fight that will be very controversially scored with a split decision victor imo. Depends whose night it is on that specific night. If they fought 10x i think they'd win 5 a piece.
            Prime Holmes jabs all 4 of their eyeballs out....

            I think back to the first Qawi fight and how that bobbing and weaving gave Holyfield fits (12-13th pro fight so what he was still top 2-3 Cruiser in the world). The only person I can think of that bobbed and weaved better than Qawi was Frazier (Tyson's was more side to side while moving in, while Frazier and Qawi's was more up and down while the opponent was punching). Add that Frazier left hook coming out of the bobb/weave and BAM, Holyfield has problems.

            Yeah they both fought Foreman (and Big George would tell you he was better the second time around) but Joe's style would have been too much for Evander imo.

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            • #46
              The Frazier that fought Ali in the fight of the century drops an ud's Holyfield don't see him stopping him. I don't think holyfields ever seen relentless pressure like that I can't think of anyone except maybe Qawi

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              • #47
                great fight goes the distance, frazier gets a close decision. It's the big time power guys that would give frazier problems, don't think holyfield would pack enough heat to keep joe off.

                qawi reminds me a little of frazier

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                • #48
                  Honestly if Qawi can take Holyfield to the absolute well I'd take Frazier to win a war. Frazier was amazing. But it'd be world war 3 in there.

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                  • #49
                    ok wow! great comments on this thread....this thread reminds me why I post here in occasion:

                    First off lets look at a few different things than have already been said because a lot has been said!

                    Aint no way in this or any of the six worlds that Holy, or any heavyweight counters Frazier...You would be an idiot to try because he will keep mauling you. Even a guy like Joe Louis who had the technique to do it would probably prefer to try for a Ko after initiating the action....thats how you beat Frazier. And good as Holly is he is no counter puncher on that order necessary to stop a fellow swarmer.

                    Holly is indeed a swarmer and a volume guy....a presser but does not have the body punching ability that Frazier has. They both press but frazier has more legitimate weapons to the body which is where they will wind up often enough, given that they are both swarmers.

                    Holly can be his own worse enemy. He was better against Bowe and Tyson when he laid off a bit and boxed in spurts....He wouldn't be able to do this against Frazier because as said he would get drawn into a battle royale

                    Holly is physically stronger....hard to imagine anyone outworking him but, Joe might could do it! Joe has better technique and strong as Holly is, he aint strong as Forman was, so he aint beating Joe that way.

                    I think in a 15 rounder Joe gets the nod

                    because at the end of the day Joe was a better body guy, was perhaps at least if not more relentless, hit a bit harder, was better defensively (head bob) and because Evander showed that a slow handed tough heavy could tag him (Bowe)....and lets face it while neither guy was ever going to win the Pernell Whitaker award for D....Joe was prolly a little better defensively than Holly.
                    Last edited by billeau2; 04-23-2014, 08:34 PM.

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                    • #50
                      This really is one of the best possible match ups in HW history. I stand by my earlier prediction of EH by decision.

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