Joe Frazier vs Prime Evander Holyfield

[GOD-FR33]

yes it is.........

Yes it is. I have both of their careers on DVD and I watch them often. It is as clear as I am making it. You are over-rating Frazier because of his era. Was he tough as nails? Of course. Is he a HOF'mer? Yes. Would he have the tools to defeat an ATG Heavyweight like Evander? Absolutely not. You still haven't told me Frazier's advantage over Evander? Don't worry, I'll wait. LoL. He had none. So what wins him the fight? Holyfield would beat every opponent Frazier faced, including ALI in my opinion. People always talking about the dream match of ALI vs Tyson but ALI would KO Tyson. ALI would have his hands full with Holyfield because he could match ALI in every skill category. On top of that, he was the better overall fighter. He had better technique and operated like a machine. You didn't have to tell Holy to throw body shots. ALI didn't throw body shots and was susceptible to the left hook. Against A Level fighters, you NEED to go to the body. ALI would've lost to a few fighters who came after him. I am not knocking him, but facts are facts

[GOD-FR33]

Tyson/Holyfield.

Guess what? It doesn't matter what version of Tyson that Holyfield fought. Holyfield was a complete fighter. He would've beaten Tyson worse pre jail. He would've Ko'ed that version of Tyson faster then he did in the first fight. No version of Tyson beats Holyfield. He took Tyson's best shots like they were nothing. He is a special fighter. He's more special then Frazier as well. He would beat Frazier. Tyson was more of a physical freak then Frazier. He was also much stronger than Frazier. Evander was on another level.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Guess what? It doesn't matter what version of Tyson that Holyfield fought. Holyfield was a complete fighter. He would've beaten Tyson worse pre jail. He would've Ko'ed that version of Tyson faster then he did in the first fight. No version of Tyson beats Holyfield. He took Tyson's best shots like they were nothing. He is a special fighter. He's more special then Frazier as well. He would beat Frazier. Tyson was more of a physical freak then Frazier. He was also much stronger than Frazier. Evander was on another level.

I totally agree,,, Holyfield would always beat tyson,, from the amateur sparring sessions at olympic trials, to late 80s, early 90s, pre-jail, post-jail, right now this very day,,, Evander just was a better fighter than Tyson and his style would always trump tyson..

[rightsideup]

Evander bullied Mike Tyson who is a far superior specimen than Frazier... Faster, stronger and more elusive perhaps not the same ring smarts but no way does Frazier come remotely close to beating Evander.

Evander Holyfield is too crafty and the same shots that Evander was giving to Big George... You really think Frazier could take that?
HELL NO!

By the time Evander fought Tyson Mike's defence was certainly not up to prime.

[GOD-FR33]

Yup.

Yup. I am glad someone has common sense. It's one thing to have an opinion, but it's another to ignore facts and analysis when breaking down fights/fantasy fights.

[likeamulekick]

Yes it is. I have both of their careers on DVD and I watch them often. It is as clear as I am making it. You are over-rating Frazier because of his era. Was he tough as nails? Of course. Is he a HOF'mer? Yes. Would he have the tools to defeat an ATG Heavyweight like Evander? Absolutely not. You still haven't told me Frazier's advantage over Evander? Don't worry, I'll wait. LoL. He had none. So what wins him the fight? Holyfield would beat every opponent Frazier faced, including ALI in my opinion. People always talking about the dream match of ALI vs Tyson but ALI would KO Tyson. ALI would have his hands full with Holyfield because he could match ALI in every skill category. On top of that, he was the better overall fighter. He had better technique and operated like a machine. You didn't have to tell Holy to throw body shots. ALI didn't throw body shots and was susceptible to the left hook. Against A Level fighters, you NEED to go to the body. ALI would've lost to a few fighters who came after him. I am not knocking him, but facts are facts

I did lol conditioning, relentlessnes, his style, pressure, lands his left hook before evanders, head movement and the consistency of all those advantages, while constantly moving forward, would be harder to hit than tyson. It may be that you are right about the first 6 rounds but you dint answer to the fact that the very low probability of Frazier being knocked down or stopped and holyfield tiring in a long fight. Do you mean Ali's second career? Because if your saying holy dominates a prime Ali, I think it may be pointless to debate with a crazy

[GOD-FR33]

Nope.....

I didn't say that Evander would dominate Frazier or ALI. I think he beats them both based on "evolution". ALI was ahead of his time in every aspect. He was more athletic than any other heavyweight of his time. Key word, "his time". Evander was ahead of his time as well. He fought better fighters then ALI. Don't forget that. He faced bigger skilled guys then ALI had ever seen. That alone gives him a chance to defeat ALI. Never going to the body, is a flaw in any fighter. To beat Holyfield, you cannot hit a chin made of granite and expect China to come out of it. Get me? Holyfield beats any version of ALI. Blame evolution of boxing if anything.

[billeau2]

The NSB clowns that have suddenly poured into what was a good thread claiming it's an easy fight for whichever guy don't know **** about boxing ... go back to talking about floyd v manny, guys.

Dude you read my mind....Where does one even start when people have such silly thoughts? I actually posted responding to one of them then I said Naw!

[billeau2]

Yup. I am glad someone has common sense. It's one thing to have an opinion, but it's another to ignore facts and analysis when breaking down fights/fantasy fights.

hey idiot you have not cited ONE fact!!! you have stated that you think Hollyfield is stronger than Frazier and made a bit of a fool of yourself making a case for Hollyfields skills being exceptional compared to Frazier. Enough is enough.

Your citing an opinion. There are no facts involved.

It so happens that many people who know both fighters may take issue with your opinions.... But at the end of the day to say that anyone is using factual analysis in this thread is silly.

[Scott9945]

hey idiot you have not cited ONE fact!!! you have stated that you think Hollyfield is stronger than Frazier and made a bit of a fool of yourself making a case for Hollyfields skills being exceptional compared to Frazier. Enough is enough.

Your citing an opinion. There are no facts involved.

It so happens that many people who know both fighters may take issue with your opinions.... But at the end of the day to say that anyone is using factual analysis in this thread is silly.

He did use facts when he cited Holyfield beating Frazier or Ali due to "evolution". And we all now how much evolution there was in the 20 years between the start of their careers!

Of course this is assuming that PED's are a form of evolution.