Klitschko Brothers would murder midget Joe Louis

[Die Antwoord]

so? a good deal of Heavyweights today(like Ibragimov and Chagaev)would be 200lbs as well if they lost some of their fat.

why are yall so obsessive about the weight thing? even if Vitali had gone on to win the Byrd fight, its still probably the second or third most difficult fight of his career. and Byrd was naturally even smaller than Louis.

and who cares if Louis weighs 200lbs when he obviously hit harder than guys that were 250lbs+? with extra weight usually comes decreased stamina and less speed as well, its not like its always a good thing.

Holyfield was a Cruiserweight, and thats when the cutoff for the division was 190lbs...didnt stop him from being HW champ, and even at 46+ years old deserving a win over a 350lb 7+ foot tall titleholder in today's Hw division.

NO ones talking about Valuev. Chagaev doesnt have much fat on him at all. Hes not jacked and has a little pudge but its not like hes some obese guy trotting out there. Did louis hit harder than some guys 250+ sure.

Holyfield isnt a guy you relaly want to bring up here. I personally think he was roided, but I also think he is naturally bigger than Louis, by quite a bit. He was taller, longer arms, and a bigger frame. He also struggled with taller bigger guys.

Let me ask you this, do you think Louis was as fast as Byrd? Extra weight also helps your chin. Look at what happens when Grant hits Adamek. Adamek nearly buckles, weight helps that. If weight just made you slower and hurt your stamina why would RJJ, Holy, Adamek etc... add weight when they move up?

[JAB5239]

Holyfield isnt a guy you relaly want to bring up here. I personally think he was roided, but I also think he is naturally bigger than Louis, by quite a bit. He was taller, longer arms, and a bigger frame. He also struggled with taller bigger guys.

Holyfield beat Bowe and Arguably Lewis the second time around. Both were more skilled than either Klitschko.

Let me ask you this, do you think Louis was as fast as Byrd?

Foot speed no. Hand speed yes.

Extra weight also helps your chin. Look at what happens when Grant hits Adamek. Adamek nearly buckles, weight helps that. If weight just made you slower and hurt your stamina why would RJJ, Holy, Adamek etc... add weight when they move up?

Now you're just talking to out you ass. Can you provide ANY links that can corroborate this?

[BKM-]

Try PMing BPP about it. In fact everybody who agree's we need a mod, keep sending PM's and lets clean this place up.

It's been a long time coming, I don't think I can remember someone ever really moderating this section. Trouble makers get reported and dealt with too late, too many good threads get ruined. Maybe if we all push for this we can make it happen.

[TheGreatA]

I mean look at what guys say about Wlad: "You could never design a better physical athlete than Wladimir Klitschko. He has the Adonis body that people dream of," Steward says. 'And then to have that fluidity. I don't know that I'll see another boxer like him in my lifetime. He's probably the best-sculpted boxer in history."

"He just doesn't have any physical weaknesses," Steward says. "Even when he's leaning on guys or hitting their gloves, he's hurting them. He has won probably 40%-50% of his fights on physical intimidation alone against guys who were just in awe of him--guys who were confident until they stepped in the ring and realized just how big and strong he is."

I take Manny Steward and guys like HOlmes and sports scientists who say guys today hit harder and are stonger than the past as more informed than you, guy on message board.

Manny Steward is his trainer, you think he is unbiased? Steward also said that today's heavyweights are worse than ever and that Sonny Liston was perhaps the best fighting machine he ever saw. But you'll just pick and choose the right quotes to use from him to suit your agenda.

[TheGreatA]

NO ones talking about Valuev. Chagaev doesnt have much fat on him at all. Hes not jacked and has a little pudge but its not like hes some obese guy trotting out there. Did louis hit harder than some guys 250+ sure.

Holyfield isnt a guy you relaly want to bring up here. I personally think he was roided, but I also think he is naturally bigger than Louis, by quite a bit. He was taller, longer arms, and a bigger frame. He also struggled with taller bigger guys.

Let me ask you this, do you think Louis was as fast as Byrd? Extra weight also helps your chin. Look at what happens when Grant hits Adamek. Adamek nearly buckles, weight helps that. If weight just made you slower and hurt your stamina why would RJJ, Holy, Adamek etc... add weight when they move up?

Half inch taller and an inch in reach, if even that. Weighed 190 pounds until the age of 26 and used to fight as a light heavy in the amateurs. He was still weighing 205 at 30 years of age.

Extra weight didn't help Grant when he had his chin checked by 215 lb Dominick Guinn.

[JAB5239]

It's been a long time coming, I don't think I can remember someone ever really moderating this section. Trouble makers get reported and dealt with too late, too many good threads get ruined. Maybe if we all push for this we can make it happen.

Agreed. Keep PMing Pump and Reeno, its all we can really do at this point.

[Steak]

NO ones talking about Valuev. Chagaev doesnt have much fat on him at all. Hes not jacked and has a little pudge but its not like hes some obese guy trotting out there. Did louis hit harder than some guys 250+ sure.

Holyfield isnt a guy you relaly want to bring up here. I personally think he was roided, but I also think he is naturally bigger than Louis, by quite a bit. He was taller, longer arms, and a bigger frame. He also struggled with taller bigger guys.

Let me ask you this, do you think Louis was as fast as Byrd? Extra weight also helps your chin. Look at what happens when Grant hits Adamek. Adamek nearly buckles, weight helps that. If weight just made you slower and hurt your stamina why would RJJ, Holy, Adamek etc... add weight when they move up?

-I brought Valuev 1. To show you that size is only one factor in boxing, and 2. To show how a Cruiserweight sized totally shot old man was still able to outbox the much larger top 10 guy in today's era

-Yes, I really would want to bring Holyfield up. not only was he a Cruiserweight, but he started his pro career at 175lbs. Thats with weight cutting, but a large majority of natural heavyweights could never have made that. If somehow Holyfield was 'larger' than Louis, then the difference is very minimal. They both had similiar measurements, and at their best were both around 210lbs.

and how did Holyfield struggle with big guys? Bowe and Lewis were the best HWs of the 90s, regardless of their size, and all things considered he did pretty damn well against both of them. even when Bowe KOed Holyfield, Holyfield actually came close to KOing Bowe two or so rounds before. what other big guys did Holyfield struggle with? He smoked Buster Douglas and landed a lot on Foreman. If he struggled with anyone, it was Michael Moorer, who was a former light heavyweight.

-Extra weight MAY improve a chin...somewhat. doesnt make a bad chin into a good one though, thats for sure. extra weight does have its advantages, no doubt...strength advantage often, and also punching power can improve because theres more weight behind the punch. But it conversely makes you slower and hurts your stamina because youre lugging more weight around.

And luckily for Louis, he didnt need any extra weight, because he already hit like a truck. besides, his explosiveness was his true power. without his speed, his punching power would have diminished a lot.

[Zizou10]

WOW. You guys are a bunch of damn women.

I have my opinions and am entitled to express them. So what? I believe an ATG heavyweight, Wlad, would beat ATG Louis. WOW. Shocker.

All of a sudden I am a troll????

How about the clowns who believe Wlad and Vitali wouldn't stand a chance vs Berbick or would get beaten by the circus freak Carnera, who was dropped a dozen times vs lighter punching Baer?? Are they trolls too??

Why isn't anyone calling out Sonnyboy for his blatant hate and spite against the Klitschko's??? Or are Klitschko fans the only ones who deserve to be called trolls??? Serious double standards.


Ok, so I maybe shouldn't have used the word "midget", but you guys know damn well I was speaking in relative terms and to the fact that Wlad and Vitali simply dwarf Louis in size.



I knew there would be alot of pissed ofF Americans who would cry if I made this thread. I can't even say Wlad would beat a past fighter without being harassed and called a troll.

[Steak]

Instead of whining about us 'biased Americans' (despite the fact that a pretty high portion of the arguments against you were made by Europeans), it would be nice if you actually tried to make real arguments to prove your point, and responding to the educated reasons we give for disagreeing with you.

I mean, I dont come on this forum and argue to win...Its an internet forum, I have nothing to gain...I just like a good boxing debate.

[Die Antwoord]

Instead of whining about us 'biased Americans' (despite the fact that a pretty high portion of the arguments against you were made by Europeans), it would be nice if you actually tried to make real arguments to prove your point, and responding to the educated reasons we give for disagreeing with you.

I mean, I dont come on this forum and argue to win...Its an internet forum, I have nothing to gain...I just like a good boxing debate.

All I saw was him list his opinions which seem to be in reaction to a guy saying Berbick would beat Klitschko's and so would a bum like Big Joe. The guys said light heavies would beat Klitschko. If you asked him who would win, Vitali or SRR...he'd say SRR.

And weight does help chin, does help power, why do you think Ali was knocked on his ass by Henry Cooper and yet took Foreman's punches. Weight matters a lot when it comes to chin. Why would everyone moving up gain weihgt. If weights a negative, why did RJJ gain weight to fight ruiz?

We have a guy on here saying theres no benefit to muscle and size and then people team up on the ts calling him a troll because he has an opinion.