Klitschko Brothers would murder midget Joe Louis

[JAB5239]

On second thought having someone moderate this place couldn't be a bad thing at all. Not just anyone should be allowed to post this rehashed garbage in here.

Try PMing BPP about it. In fact everybody who agree's we need a mod, keep sending PM's and lets clean this place up.

[project xxx1]

The thread is obviously not about Joe Louis. It's not really even about the Klitschko brothers. It's just an unnecessary attack towards the regulars of this section, and the section itself.

If you wanted to talk boxing, you'd talk boxing, not whether Klitschko would "murder" midget Louis or not. Even this "Wladimir is 50 pounds bigger + more evolved" argument is the kind of superficial talk that you don't expect to hear in a Boxing History section, you expect the arguments to delve deeper.

Get this, boxing is not your average sport. It's fighting. In tennis, you play for points, you don't pay with physical punishment for every mistake you make. In sprinting, you repeat the same exercise over and over, obviously you'll get better and better at it, especially when equipments have improved. Men may have gotten more athletic, but in boxing you do not need to be a super athlete to compete. Toughness counts for a lot, and men sure haven't gotten tougher.

Louis is a 6'2, 205 pound man with speed and power in his fists. He can knock out anybody if he hits them right. He beat men who were over 6'5, 250+ lbs. He reigned as undisputed champion for over a decade. I wouldn't count the man's chances out against anybody, even Wladimir Klitschko, who can be beaten, as proven by Corrie Sanders, a part-time fighter. So it comes down to whose style and abilities is more suited to dealing with the other. Is it Louis's patient stalking, explosive counters and great finishing? Or Wladimir's ability to control the distance with his jab, his ability to tie a man up on the inside and wear them out until lowering the boom? Whatever it is, you should get out of here with this "evolution" garbage. If anything it has devolved with boxers being taught half the tricks they used to know.

great post man,enjoyed the read

*** ts hes just a troll

[Steak]

Im always kind of amused when people say that Vitali was killing Byrd up until he quit. I mean, yes, Vitali was obviously winning...but for those that have actualyl watched the fight, its not like Vitali was beating the **** out of Byrd. it was basically him landing more and thats it. Byrd was even trying to walk Vitali down, but Byrd is pretty awful at that.
I think even people who dislike Louis can AT LEAST say that Louis was bigger, stronger and overall way better than Byrd, right? so...I dont understand how Louis would get 'murdered' by Vitali.

interestingly enough, Wladimir's best win to date is still his first win over Chris Byrd as well.


Size matters in boxing. But its not the only thing that matters, and can even be a handicap in certain situations

[Die Antwoord]

The thread is obviously not about Joe Louis. It's not really even about the Klitschko brothers. It's just an unnecessary attack towards the regulars of this section, and the section itself.

If you wanted to talk boxing, you'd talk boxing, not whether Klitschko would "murder" midget Louis or not. Even this "Wladimir is 50 pounds bigger + more evolved" argument is the kind of superficial talk that you don't expect to hear in a Boxing History section, you expect the arguments to delve deeper.

Get this, boxing is not your average sport. It's fighting. In tennis, you play for points, you don't pay with physical punishment for every mistake you make. In sprinting, you repeat the same exercise over and over, obviously you'll get better and better at it, especially when equipments have improved. Men may have gotten more athletic, but in boxing you do not need to be a super athlete to compete. Toughness counts for a lot, and men sure haven't gotten tougher.

Louis is a 6'2, 205 pound man with speed and power in his fists. He can knock out anybody if he hits them right. He beat men who were over 6'5, 250+ lbs. He reigned as undisputed champion for over a decade. I wouldn't count the man's chances out against anybody, even Wladimir Klitschko, who can be beaten, as proven by Corrie Sanders, a part-time fighter. So it comes down to whose style and abilities is more suited to dealing with the other. Is it Louis's patient stalking, explosive counters and great finishing? Or Wladimir's ability to control the distance with his jab, his ability to tie a man up on the inside and wear them out until lowering the boom? Whatever it is, you should get out of here with this "evolution" garbage. If anything it has devolved with boxers being taught half the tricks they used to know.

Uhh and Vitali Klitschko I notice you never mention. I wonder why that is? BEcause he wouldn tback away from Louis he would stand in front of him and beat on him and its never been proven that he can be beaten except by cuts from a grazing punch and by hurting himself in the ring.

Saying Louis could knock out Vitali Klitschko is an opinion not a fact. Saying Louis would wear Vitali out by clinching is ridiculous. Vitali would more than accomodate Louis and put all 250 lbs of himself on him. And Vitali's never been worn out in a fight and he keeps punching...He is one of the meanest toughest guys to ever put on gloves. So I notice you dont mention Vitali, I wonder why that is?

Uhh what equipment has improved in swimming. Phelps as a study done by Nike put on a drag suit...ie more drag than Spitz, and beat all of his world records in the same day. So what equipment change helped swimmers. Also why talk about p4p which size wouldnt matter. THe lower weights obviously are less changed, but the bigger boxers would change the most.

Oh and dont take this high and mighty approach. IVe read what people have said about the Klitschko's on here. From Robotic glass chinned bums to steroid using ****sexuals, to journeymen bum *********. All have been said about the Klitschko's yet I dont see you rushing to their defense. YOu are biased and your opinion is worthless because of that.

I mean look at what guys say about Wlad: "You could never design a better physical athlete than Wladimir Klitschko. He has the Adonis body that people dream of," Steward says. 'And then to have that fluidity. I don't know that I'll see another boxer like him in my lifetime. He's probably the best-sculpted boxer in history."

"He just doesn't have any physical weaknesses," Steward says. "Even when he's leaning on guys or hitting their gloves, he's hurting them. He has won probably 40%-50% of his fights on physical intimidation alone against guys who were just in awe of him--guys who were confident until they stepped in the ring and realized just how big and strong he is."

I take Manny Steward and guys like HOlmes and sports scientists who say guys today hit harder and are stonger than the past as more informed than you, guy on message board.

[Die Antwoord]

Im always kind of amused when people say that Vitali was killing Byrd up until he quit. I mean, yes, Vitali was obviously winning...but for those that have actualyl watched the fight, its not like Vitali was beating the **** out of Byrd. it was basically him landing more and thats it. Byrd was even trying to walk Vitali down, but Byrd is pretty awful at that.
I think even people who dislike Louis can AT LEAST say that Louis was bigger, stronger and overall way better than Byrd, right? so...I dont understand how Louis would get 'murdered' by Vitali.

interestingly enough, Wladimir's best win to date is still his first win over Chris Byrd as well.


Size matters in boxing. But its not the only thing that matters, and can even be a handicap in certain situations

Thats the thing he wasnt bigger than Byrd. His reach was only 1inch on Byrd and Byrd weighed more when he faced Vitali than Louis did in his prime. Also Vitali lost maybe 1 round against Byrd and that was when he hurt his shoulder. He was up either 8 rounds to 1 or at worst, being totally generous 7-2. He wasnt hurt, he had no marks on him. Byrd had been hurt for the fight. Vitali was fine, he got hurt. He could have stood there and won that fight.

[project xxx1]

Uhh and Vitali Klitschko I notice you never mention. I wonder why that is? BEcause he wouldn tback away from Louis he would stand in front of him and beat on him and its never been proven that he can be beaten except by cuts from a grazing punch and by hurting himself in the ring.

Saying Louis could knock out Vitali Klitschko is an opinion not a fact. Saying Louis would wear Vitali out by clinching is ridiculous. Vitali would more than accomodate Louis and put all 250 lbs of himself on him. And Vitali's never been worn out in a fight and he keeps punching...He is one of the meanest toughest guys to ever put on gloves. So I notice you dont mention Vitali, I wonder why that is?

Uhh what equipment has improved in swimming. Phelps as a study done by Nike put on a drag suit...ie more drag than Spitz, and beat all of his world records in the same day. So what equipment change helped swimmers. Also why talk about p4p which size wouldnt matter. THe lower weights obviously are less changed, but the bigger boxers would change the most.

Oh and dont take this high and mighty approach. IVe read what people have said about the Klitschko's on here. From Robotic glass chinned bums to steroid using ****sexuals, to journeymen bum *********. All have been said about the Klitschko's yet I dont see you rushing to their defense. YOu are biased and your opinion is worthless because of that.

I mean look at what guys say about Wlad: "You could never design a better physical athlete than Wladimir Klitschko. He has the Adonis body that people dream of," Steward says. 'And then to have that fluidity. I don't know that I'll see another boxer like him in my lifetime. He's probably the best-sculpted boxer in history."

"He just doesn't have any physical weaknesses," Steward says. "Even when he's leaning on guys or hitting their gloves, he's hurting them. He has won probably 40%-50% of his fights on physical intimidation alone against guys who were just in awe of him--guys who were confident until they stepped in the ring and realized just how big and strong he is."

I take Manny Steward and guys like HOlmes and sports scientists who say guys today hit harder and are stonger than the past as more informed than you, guy on message board.

did he forget about this guy

[Die Antwoord]

did he forget about this guy

Wlad was young, on his 12th fight in 12 months and gassed...big deal. His old style had him going all out all the time. He adapted, no fighter could have lasted at that. He also weighed 25 lbs less. He was killing Purrity he just got exhausted.

[Steak]

Thats the thing he wasnt bigger than Byrd. His reach was only 1inch on Byrd and Byrd weighed more when he faced Vitali than Louis did in his prime. Also Vitali lost maybe 1 round against Byrd and that was when he hurt his shoulder. He was up either 8 rounds to 1 or at worst, being totally generous 7-2. He wasnt hurt, he had no marks on him. Byrd had been hurt for the fight. Vitali was fine, he got hurt. He could have stood there and won that fight.

there is no possible way that Byrd was more of a natural Heavyweight than Louis. Thats a ludicrous statement. Byrd fought as a super middleweight before turning pro, while Louis was a natural HW for most of his adult life.

and yea, Byrd had almost no power, so you wouldnt expect him to hurt anyone, let alone Vitali. maybe you should rewatch Vitali-Byrd, because Byrd was in no way hurt the entire fight. In fact, on occasion Byrd made Vitali look pretty bad, as shown in round 5 of their fight, which can be found on youtube.

the point I was making in the first place is that it makes NO SENSE to say Louis would 'get murdered' by Vitali, when in reality not even Chris Byrd was really even getting beat up by him...outworked, and thats it. even if Vitali's shoulder was fine the whole fight, he wouldnt have KOed Byrd. (speaking which, neither did Wlad in Byrd's prime, although Wlad did kick his ass pretty bad).

and no offense to Byrd, I like the guy and all, but he doesnt hold a candle to Joe Louis.

[Die Antwoord]

there is no possible way that Byrd was more of a natural Heavyweight than Louis. Thats a ludicrous statement. Byrd fought as a super middleweight before turning pro, while Louis was a natural HW for most of his adult life.

and yea, Byrd had almost no power, so you wouldnt expect him to hurt anyone, let alone Vitali. maybe you should rewatch Vitali-Byrd, because Byrd was in no way hurt the entire fight. In fact, on occasion Byrd made Vitali look pretty bad, as shown in round 5 of their fight, which can be found on youtube.

the point I was making in the first place is that it makes NO SENSE to say Louis would 'get murdered' by Vitali, when in reality not even Chris Byrd was really even getting beat up by him...outworked, and thats it. even if Vitali's shoulder was fine the whole fight, he wouldnt have KOed Byrd. (speaking which, neither did Wlad in Byrd's prime, although Wlad did kick his ass pretty bad).

and no offense to Byrd, I like the guy and all, but he doesnt hold a candle to Joe Louis.

Never said he did, but Joe Louis would have been a cruiser in todays era. Only one time did he fight at a higher weight than Byrd did against Wlad 1. Louis never had to make weight, he would be a natural cruiser today.

[Steak]

Never said he did, but Joe Louis would have been a cruiser in todays era. Only one time did he fight at a higher weight than Byrd did against Wlad 1. Louis never had to make weight, he would be a natural cruiser today.

so? a good deal of Heavyweights today(like Ibragimov and Chagaev)would be 200lbs as well if they lost some of their fat.

why are yall so obsessive about the weight thing? even if Vitali had gone on to win the Byrd fight, its still probably the second or third most difficult fight of his career. and Byrd was naturally even smaller than Louis.

and who cares if Louis weighs 200lbs when he obviously hit harder than guys that were 250lbs+? with extra weight usually comes decreased stamina and less speed as well, its not like its always a good thing.

Holyfield was a Cruiserweight, and thats when the cutoff for the division was 190lbs...didnt stop him from being HW champ, and even at 46+ years old deserving a win over a 350lb 7+ foot tall titleholder in today's Hw division.