Hagler vs Calzaghe Prime for Prime 164 Ibs.

[bojangles1987]

I like Hagler, I like Hagler a lot, but he is partially right. Not saying all Hagler did was come forward, but he did have a tendancy to throw bombs and throw wild punches, thats not saying he wasnt a great fighter, im just saying Joe didnt ever get caught by that stuff. What hurt him were inside shots when he was off balance and brawling for some unknown reason. Joe liked when fighters got mad, Joe made fighters mad, Hagler would have been crazy against him, but thats what Joe would have wanted. Joe wants those wild shots because he dodges them easily and has the chin that if he got caught he could stay on his feet. JOe might be open to the right hook some and that would be the punch id be concerned with, but Haglers punches just scream to be countered.

You have confirmed you have never seen Hagler fight except for the Leonard and Hearns fights with this post. Hagler was a boxer-counter puncher more than he was ever a brawler throwing bombs and wild punches.

[Die Antwoord]

You have confirmed you have never seen Hagler fight except for the Leonard and Hearns fights with this post. Hagler was a boxer-counter puncher more than he was ever a brawler throwing bombs and wild punches.

Is that the best diss on here, that people havent seen Hagler fight? I have seen tons of his fights and he did brawl quite a bit and I definitely would classify him as a brawler than a counterpuncher. DId he counterpunch? Sure, but he liked to brawl and fight and step forward and he opened himself to getting hit quite a bit.

[Thread Stealer]

Hagler was way more of a boxer and counterpuncher who used the ring and moved laterally than a guy who came forward and brawled. He could hurt an opponent in his more traditional boxing stance though, and then jump on his opponent once he hurt him. Hell, he hurt Lee with a jab.

It's amazing how much a fight or two can give the misconception of a fighter's style.

I suppose years from now, people will watch Mayweather against Judah and Mosley and conclude that Floyd was a guy who usually walked down opponents behind a high guard.

In regards to Hagler vs. Calzaghe at 164, well there's a lot of questions there. Hagler should win, being the superior fighter. But how does he do at a higher weight against a bigger man? Fighters who go up in weight tend to have problems if they rely more on strength and power rather than skills/technique. Hagler should handle this okay being as that he relied more on his boxing and reach (he had a longer wingspan than the taller Calzaghe thanks to his long arms), but power/strength of course matters, especially when you knock out over 80% of your victims.

Calzaghe would most likely be a light-heavyweight if we still had same day weigh-ins. Can Calzaghe even get to 164 without weakening himself? Assuming he can, he's no easy task for Hagler with his speed, toughness, adaptability, and size.

[Jim Jeffries]

Boxing orthodox for the first 4 round of the Leonard fight was also not a bright choice, don't you think?

Also, it does not take too much to lure Hearns into a brawl, not the coolest head out there, not the smartest fighter either.

I am not saying Hagler was ******, but when i think of a smart fighter, many would come to mind first.

Maybe it's just me but I think had he made it a 15 round fight, in an 18 ft ring, with 8 oz gloves and fought southpaw the whole fight, there'd have been a markedly different outcome.

I need to watch that fight again, it's been ages, but I think I had it something close to a draw as it was, with every possible advantage for Leonard.

[Chrismart]

I could see Calzaghe really frustrating Hagler with his speed and reflexes, but cant see him hurting Hagler. I think Clazaghes's downfall would be standing in the middle of the ring and going toe-to-toe as he always seems to end up doing. And although he would be the bigger man i think Hagler would come of better in the exchanges.
An interesting match-up ,were i could see arguments for both fighters winning. Id say Calzaghe on points if it went the distance, but id go with Hagler breaking him down late if it was a 15 rounder.

[r.burgundy]

edit: You said that you don't think Hagler has a high enough boxing IQ.

How could you forget, it was one page back. lol

i said haglers was low lol.i didnt say anything about joes

[JAB5239]

i said haglers was low lol.i didnt say anything about joes

How exactly is Haglers "boxing IQ" low?

[wmute]

I like Hagler, I like Hagler a lot, but he is partially right. Not saying all Hagler did was come forward, but he did have a tendancy to throw bombs and throw wild punches, thats not saying he wasnt a great fighter, im just saying Joe didnt ever get caught by that stuff. What hurt him were inside shots when he was off balance and brawling for some unknown reason. Joe liked when fighters got mad, Joe made fighters mad, Hagler would have been crazy against him, but thats what Joe would have wanted. Joe wants those wild shots because he dodges them easily and has the chin that if he got caught he could stay on his feet. JOe might be open to the right hook some and that would be the punch id be concerned with, but Haglers punches just scream to be countered.

OK, now you can go back to NSB with your buddy

[Die Antwoord]

OK, now you can go back to NSB with your buddy

Uhh...everything I said can be backed up with tons of video evidence. Hagler never threw wildly? Thats your argument? Even in fights he obliterated his opponents he threw wildly. Even against guys like Lee he was throwing wild. That stuff doesnt work against Joe. And yes his right hook screams to be countered or his leaping left. Find video of that stuff ever working on Joe. Joes main issue was he'd fight in the center of the ring with guys with more power than him and occassionally get tagged on the inside. Hagler might knock Joe down, but that is the last thing anyone ever wants to do. Do not make Joe angry. If Calzaghe gets angry...ref should just call the fight cause he kills people out there.

[Die Antwoord]

I think theres a lot of blind love here, and to post this in its own thread would be trolling imo because the answer should be blatantly obvious.

At 175, who wins Adamek or Hagler. Back when Adamek felt comfortable making 175...lets say when he fought Ulrich. Who wins at 175. I mean to me its Adamek with ease, but if people on here think that Hagler could beat a great LHW at LHW then theres no reason to continue debating Calzaghe at a catchweight.