Hagler vs Calzaghe Prime for Prime 164 Ibs.

[T.Horton]

Then you don't know much and you simply have a dislike that clouds what you see of him. If you really watch what he does, he fights incredibly smart. Without a doubt one of the most intelligent, adaptable fighters of the modern era and yes, he was a smarter fighter than Hagler.

Doesn't mean he would win, but I give him a great chance. Whoever thinks Hagler stops him is daft also. No one gets hurt and no one gets stopped in this fight.

Tactical, reasonably slow paced fight with neither guy letting the other get the upper hand. Would be fascinating.

he fought smart against less than stellar opposition for the most part. And Hagler would be chasing him all over the ring, further, he is ambidextrous AND he knows how to cut off the ring. He went even up with Ray Leonard but you think Calzaghe beats him? Methinks you have Joe perched on a pedestal that does not befit him. My opinion.

[T.Horton]

Maybe it's just me but I think had he made it a 15 round fight, in an 18 ft ring, with 8 oz gloves and fought southpaw the whole fight, there'd have been a markedly different outcome.

I need to watch that fight again, it's been ages, but I think I had it something close to a draw as it was, with every possible advantage for Leonard.

12 rounds as per Leonard and Hagler fought the first four rounds orthodox.

[Joeyzagz]

I actually like Calzaghe in this...size...speed...reflexes...in and out defense...they would all frustrate Hagler.

I think the key to this fight will be whether Hagler fights orthodox or south paw. I think he needs to stay in the orthodox stance to win, and he's got to time Calzaghe with right hands. I can't see him winning without doing that.

Size is what will give Zags the advantage in this.

It will be a replay of SRL/Hagler with Joe flurrying the hell out of Marvin at the end of every round racking up points. Hagler has nothing to stop this from happening and would lose a wide unanimous decision.

[BennyST]

he fought smart against less than stellar opposition for the most part. And Hagler would be chasing him all over the ring, further, he is ambidextrous AND he knows how to cut off the ring. He went even up with Ray Leonard but you think Calzaghe beats him? Methinks you have Joe perched on a pedestal that does not befit him. My opinion.

See, when you say something like that it just shows you don't know what either guy really does. Hagler would not chase him all over the ring and Calzaghe wouldn't be running all over the ring to be chased.

[T.Horton]

See, when you say something like that it just shows you don't know what either guy really does. Hagler would not chase him all over the ring and Calzaghe wouldn't be running all over the ring to be chased.

if you disagree tell me how you see the fight playing out. I see Marvin stalking with Joe trying to play Ray Leonard by jumping and flurrying. Hagler would catch with a counter that hurts him and likely finish him in opinion/

[Die Antwoord]

if you disagree tell me how you see the fight playing out. I see Marvin stalking with Joe trying to play Ray Leonard by jumping and flurrying. Hagler would catch with a counter that hurts him and likely finish him in opinion/

Again, simple question, who do you think wins prime light Adamek or Hagler at 175. Im just curious who you think wins this fight as I know youre not factoring Haglers big size disadvantage against Joe.

[T.Horton]

Again, simple question, who do you think wins prime light Adamek or Hagler at 175. Im just curious who you think wins this fight as I know youre not factoring Haglers big size disadvantage against Joe.

no, because the thread title says 164. Hagler was a middleweight his whole career and he was short. I don't think a move up in weight would have helped him. I would likely pick Hagler to win just because I know what he's capable of but there is a great chance that he would get beat.

Roy Jones at LHW would have torn them both apart. Perhaps even Marvelous at middle.

[wmute]

Uhh...everything I said can be backed up with tons of video evidence. Hagler never threw wildly? Thats your argument? Even in fights he obliterated his opponents he threw wildly. Even against guys like Lee he was throwing wild. That stuff doesnt work against Joe. And yes his right hook screams to be countered or his leaping left. Find video of that stuff ever working on Joe. Joes main issue was he'd fight in the center of the ring with guys with more power than him and occassionally get tagged on the inside. Hagler might knock Joe down, but that is the last thing anyone ever wants to do. Do not make Joe angry. If Calzaghe gets angry...ref should just call the fight cause he kills people out there.

look I am not even getting down to details with you... seriously not worth it. I will just keep highlighting the wrongest/most ridiculous parts of your posts.

In this post I enjoy the last fanboy sentence

"better not get my daddy angry or he is gonna kick your ass"

[BennyST]

Uhh...everything I said can be backed up with tons of video evidence. Hagler never threw wildly? Thats your argument? Even in fights he obliterated his opponents he threw wildly. Even against guys like Lee he was throwing wild. That stuff doesnt work against Joe. And yes his right hook screams to be countered or his leaping left. Find video of that stuff ever working on Joe. Joes main issue was he'd fight in the center of the ring with guys with more power than him and occassionally get tagged on the inside. Hagler might knock Joe down, but that is the last thing anyone ever wants to do. Do not make Joe angry. If Calzaghe gets angry...ref should just call the fight cause he kills people out there.

Eh? Really? It can also be disproved with that same 'video evidence'. I've seen Calzaghe hit plenty of times by guys much less skilled than Hagler. Knocked down and hurt too. So, that's just wrong.

Hagler also wasn't wild. I'm not sure what you consider wild, but Hagler wasn't. If you consider Hagler wild with the punches he throws, then you'd have to say the same about Calzaghe.

See, check out this video. This shows Hagler highlights of his KO's. He is shown here at his wildest, when he has guys hurt and is trying to finish them. It all looks damn accurate, relaxed and perfectly considered. Nearly the opposite of what you are saying. Again, in what is widely considered one of the wildest fights ever seen in ring history, Hagler's shots are under great control, and most land to the body and head. In that sort of brawl, he looks anything but wild and with the huge power shots he's throwing he lands very accurately and seems to throw exactly the right punches at the right time. That's not wild.


Calzaghe throws more wildly than Hagler does.


He also gets hit by wild, winged shots.
Here he is taking a swinging shot by Salem when he's rushing in (rather wildly) with his chin up.

[BennyST]

This fight is about as wild as Hagler ever got. Apart from the brawl against Hearns, this is one of his most emotionally involved fights in rematch with his foe who had seriously pissed him off in the previous fight, out of it and during this fight too. Dirty tactics etc etc, and Hagler is really going for it the whole fight. You see him at his wildest here, and it ain't very wild at all.