Hagler vs Calzaghe Prime for Prime 164 Ibs.

[Toney616]

handspeed equal.........haters want to hate.

Coming from a guy whose only purpose in this forum is to put down black american fighters while glorifying the K-bros

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How does Calzaghes height benefit him here? Reflexes? I dont think so, he was gettting caught flush with bombs from a drained Eubank. Adaptability? And this is based on what exactly? How many Hagler fights have you watched to make that claim?

[StarshipTrooper]

Coming from a guy whose only purpose in this forum is to put down black american fighters while glorifying the K-bros

How does Calzaghes height benefit him here? Reflexes? I dont think so, he was gettting caught flush with bombs from a drained Eubank. Adaptability? And this is based on what exactly? How many Hagler fights have you watched to make that claim?

Probably just the Leonard fight :hahahaha9:

Poet

[Toney616]

Probably just the Leonard fight :hahahaha9:

Poet

I doubt if his even seen that

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I think exactly the same of your posts most of the time too.

I know! Maybe we are alts from the opposite sides of the planet?

[Die Antwoord]

Coming from a guy whose only purpose in this forum is to put down black american fighters while glorifying the K-bros

How does Calzaghes height benefit him here? Reflexes? I dont think so, he was gettting caught flush with bombs from a drained Eubank. Adaptability? And this is based on what exactly? How many Hagler fights have you watched to make that claim?

Ive watched a ton of his fights and if Calzaghe was getting hit flush by Eubanks left and right as you say, then put him as having the better chin. Calzaghe's reflexes are phenomenol, his stamina incredible, his workrate astonishing.

Calzaghe has been said by other fighters to be a completely adaptable fighter and he would be bigger than Marvin, he'd probably weigh 175 on fight night. Ive watched many Hagler fights, to me he was worst when he tried to adapt and try something new. Calzaghe could fight backingup, coming at you, hard to hit, he doesnt have the Hagler/Mosley herky jerky im going to juke you even when you arent doing anything style, hes got a fluid in and out that can be devastating to fight again. Senior's impression of Mosley works the same on Hagler.

Wait, put down black American fighters? Why do you have to make it a race thing. Over on NSB im talking about how if Manny went to UFC it would suck because id have to cheer for him and PBF being my favorite active fighter, that doesnt seem right. I dont get people who always have to bring up race. Isnt Floyd a black american? I mean he's about as black american as you get id say.

[Die Antwoord]

I know! Maybe we are alts from the opposite sides of the planet?

alts should be banned.

[Toney616]

Ive watched a ton of his fights and if Calzaghe was getting hit flush by Eubanks left and right as you say, then put him as having the better chin.

How does Calzaghe taking punches from a drained Eubank mean he has a better chin than Hagler. Off the top of my head Calzaghe has been dropped 4 times

Calzaghe's reflexes are phenomenol, his stamina incredible, his workrate astonishing.

How can his reflexes be astonishing, if he was getting caught so many times by a drained over the hill Eubank. Solid workrate no doubt, solid stamina, although he was clearly tired during the last 4 rounds of the Brewer fight.

Calzaghe has been said by other fighters to be a completely adaptable fighter and he would be bigger than Marvin, he'd probably weigh 175 on fight night.

Care to name any of them, sources would be nice as well. Yes he would be bigger than Hagler, but how would that help him here exactly, especially with his tendency to slap punches

Ive watched many Hagler fights, to me he was worst when he tried to adapt and try something new.

Care to mention a fight, where this happened

Calzaghe could fight backingup,

If what fight did he fight backing up

coming at you, hard to hit, he doesnt have the Hagler/Mosley herky jerky im going to juke you even when you arent doing anything style, hes got a fluid in and out that can be devastating to fight again. Senior's impression of Mosley works the same on Hagler.

What are you talking about. You are now comparing Haglers style to Mosleys

Wait, put down black American fighters? Why do you have to make it a race thing.

Im talking about when you used to post under the Alt Magicman

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My question mark key is broken, thats why I havent been using it

[Die Antwoord]

How does Calzaghe taking punches from a drained Eubank mean he has a better chin than Hagler. Off the top of my head Calzaghe has been dropped 4 times

How can his reflexes be astonishing, if he was getting caught so many times by a drained over the hill Eubank. Solid workrate no doubt, solid stamina, although he was clearly tired during the last 4 rounds of the Brewer fight.

Care to name any of them, sources would be nice as well. Yes he would be bigger than Hagler, but how would that help him here exactly, especially with his tendency to slap punches

Care to mention a fight, where this happened

If what fight did he fight backing up

What are you talking about. You are now comparing Haglers style to Mosleys

Im talking about when you used to post under the Alt Magicman

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My question mark key is broken, thats why I havent been using it

First off I am not the magic man, not sure where that rumor is coming from

Second off I was joking about the alts being banned...especially since they arent alts just have the same opinion.

3rd if youre going to ask 50 questions a post I am going to have to insist on a working keyboard with a question mark key.

Joe did get caught some by Eubank but it wasnt all night and it wasnt Eubank's power shots and that was a little before Joe's prime. The hard thing with Joe is when was his prime. His hands started going as he started to get more intelligent in the ring. So its tough, id say about 3 years after the Eubanks fight.

Joe was dropped 4 times sure, but those happened because of his hands of all things. He couldnt spar before fights so the initial hard punch would drop him. He never was really hurt. The most "hurt" ive ever seen Joe was against kessler when he took some vicious upper cuts early. The upper cut later in his career was the most successful thing against joe.

For example and I have to run to a meeting, but I thought Hagler should have killed Duran, but instead fought a very defensive fight. duran was the smaller guy and Hagler seemed scared of his power. i mean I would be scared of Duran's power too, but I felt Hagler adapted and it was the wrong move.

Joe fought backing up against Lacey. I mean up until later rounds when he realized Lacey wasnt who they thought he was.

I dont have any sites, but there are a few posts in this thread already talking about how joe fought down to his level of competition. Ive read Kessler say the same thing as well as Jones talk about how Calzaghe was a very adaptive fighter. Ill look for cites in a bit.

I do think at times Hagler had the same jerkiness to his movements as SSM. Obviously they dont fight alike, but they do that same thing Floyd senior was making fun of.

[Toney616]

3rd if youre going to ask 50 questions a post I am going to have to insist on a working keyboard with a question mark key.

lol, I got a working keyboard now

Joe did get caught some by Eubank but it wasnt all night and it wasnt Eubank's power shots and that was a little before Joe's prime. The hard thing with Joe is when was his prime. His hands started going as he started to get more intelligent in the ring.So its tough, id say about 3 years after the Eubanks fight.

He stayed with the same trainer throughout his career, so it wasn't like his skill set radically changed, his prime most probably started a couple of fights after the Eubank fight.

Joe was dropped 4 times sure, but those happened because of his hands of all things. He couldn't spar before fights so the initial hard punch would drop him.

That's not true. He tended to get dropped because he would square himself and carry his left hand too low. He was dropped in round four of the kalemby fight and he was badly hurt, he was almost dropped during round 8 of the Hopkins fight as well

He never was really hurt. The most "hurt" ive ever seen Joe was against kessler when he took some vicious upper cuts early. The upper cut later in his career was the most successful thing against joe.

I would say during round 4 of the Salem fight

For example and I have to run to a meeting, but I thought Hagler should have killed Duran, but instead fought a very defensive fight. duran was the smaller guy and Hagler seemed scared of his power. i mean I would be scared of Duran's power too, but I felt Hagler adapted and it was the wrong move.

When did he adapt in that fight. He was either boxing Duran from the outside or he would on the inside during rounds 5,6, 14 and 15. Duran's strategy was to fight on the outside and try to land counters

Joe fought backing up against Lacey. I mean up until later rounds when he realized Lacey wasn't who they thought he was.

I dont remember him doing that, I will most probably watch that fight again tonight. So ill have to get back to you on that

I dont have any sites, but there are a few posts in this thread already talking about how joe fought down to his level of competition. Ive read Kessler say the same thing as well as Jones talk about how Calzaghe was a very adaptive fighter. Ill look for cites in a bit.

He adapted in the Hopkins fight, he started to slip Hopkins counters from about round 2 onwards. He also realized that Hopkins was throwing a lead right than clinching, which is why he started to up his workrate to out work Hopkins. cant think of anymore off the top of my head.

I do think at times Hagler had the same jerkiness to his movements as SSM. Obviously they dont fight alike, but they do that same thing Floyd senior was making fun of.

Hagler fought nothing like Mosley, who is a slugger masquerading as a boxer

[SonnyboyReturns]

Joe swarms him and gets the quick stoppage in the 3rd round. Joe would be the bigger guy, probably weigh around 175 or so on fight night. Hagler hit hard, but Joe in his time had an iron chin and wouldnt be intimidated. He'd swarm him and bomb on him. No ones going to want to hear this, but Joe was faster than Hagler in every way. Faster reflexes, faster hands, just plain faster. Joe was also smarter, the smartest boxer ive ever seen. He knew exactly where to be and when to be there. People hate Joe so they say he'll get sparked by Hagler, but I think Joe has the chin to take the shots and the speed to dodge them. And he would be throwing 3-4 times as many punches.