Joe Frazier beats both Klitschkos

[JAB5239]

prime norton,shavers,lyle,and young all shouldve been on his resume.do you agree?

Sorry, but Shavers, Lyle, and Young all rose to prominence at the time when Frazier was on his way out. As for Norton, he was Frazier's stable mate AND sparring partner as well as a close friend: That fight was never going to happen.

BTW, it's pretty revealing about your boxing knowledge that you regard guys like Quarry, Bonevena, and Jones as bums.

Oh, and 1 win over Ali > than all of Wlad and Vitali's wins COMBINED.

Poet

Thanks for covering that for me Poet. What is way off to me is that he totally dismissed Quarry, yet Jerry annihilated Shavers and beat Lyle. It seem our friend Ron does not understand almost every fight misses a few fighters around their time. He may have lost, but should Frazier be condemned for fighting Ali or Foreman multiple times instead of other contenders who's timing just wasn't right for a fight to be made to begin with?

[GJC]

please show me 1 good win on mathis resume.i'll wait

George Chuvalo, sorry for your wait.

[r.burgundy]

Who was that guy who went life and death with Frazier 3 times? His technique was pretty decent if I remember rightly and Frazier gave him nightmares.

technique was great but power was ****

[r.burgundy]

George Chuvalo, sorry for your wait.

lol if you say so

[r.burgundy]

People harping on the whole size issue need to remember that height isn't that big of a deal compared to a fighter's reach/arm length. Wladmir has a reach of 81" and Vitali has a reach of 80", compare that to Ali who had a reach of 80". Now Ali was a much faster and accurate puncher than either Klitschko and he couldn't keep Frazier away from him. If Ali couldn't keep Frazier off him for 12 rounds I doubt either Klitschko could.

I don't think you can compare the Foreman fight to a fight with either Klitschko. Foreman loved having people coming inside on him, his hooks and uppercuts were extremely effective inside where he could throw them fairly quickly and with terrifying force. The Klitshko's are through and through out fighters. Both of the Big-K brothers like having people at range where they can use their power effectively and don't have too much infighting experience unlike Foreman. The Klitschko's may generate a similar amount of power to Foreman at range but in close I don't think either can hit nearly as hard as Foreman does.

I think Wlad has next to no chance of beating Frazier due to his chin being rather questionable. Vitali on the other hand could give Frazier a decent fight. If Vitali can tie up Frazier effectively on the inside he may be able to catch him coming in with one of his big straight right hands. If Frazier gets inside and Vitali doesn't clinch him the fight will be rather one sided, Vitali doesn't have the speed or style to fight inside like Foreman and he would get chopped down. His chin and power will give him a chance but I'm not sure he could tie up Frazier effectively for 12 rounds.

so wlad has a questionable chin but joe doesnt lol?so now foreman has roy jones speed.get real.forman was slow as syrup and threw big looping punches from a mile away.stop trying to twist history.foreman didnt have a varied attack on offense.he was a slugger.plain and simple

[GJC]

lol if you say so

Tough fighter Chuvalo you should look him up.

[r.burgundy]

Sorry, but Shavers, Lyle, and Young all rose to prominence at the time when Frazier was on his way out. As for Norton, he was Frazier's stable mate AND sparring partner as well as a close friend: That fight was never going to happen.

BTW, it's pretty revealing about your boxing knowledge that you regard guys like Quarry, Bonevena, and Jones as bums.

Oh, and 1 win over Ali > than all of Wlad and Vitali's wins COMBINED.

Poet

it also shows your ******ed bias being even trying to justify the fact that frazier didnt fight norton,shavers,young,and lyle.i personally think he beats them all except young but fights arent fought on paper.norton,shavers,and lyle were 3 of the big punchers of that era and joe didnt fight them for whatever reason

[r.burgundy]

Tough fighter Chuvalo you should look him up.

yes he was tough,and thats as far as it goes with him

[JAB5239]

technique was great but power was ****

Its funny you his power **** when he knocked out better fighters than either Klitschko.

Liston
Patterson
Williams
Terrell
Folley
Quarry
Bonovena
Ellis
Frazier
Foreman
Lyle

Ko'ing no hopers doesn't make one a great puncher.

[r.burgundy]

Thanks for covering that for me Poet. What is way off to me is that he totally dismissed Quarry, yet Jerry annihilated Shavers and beat Lyle. It seem our friend Ron does not understand almost every fight misses a few fighters around their time. He may have lost, but should Frazier be condemned for fighting Ali or Foreman multiple times instead of other contenders who's timing just wasn't right for a fight to be made to begin with?

in this day and age it would be called ducking.cmon man,quarry sucks.lyle an shavers were chin chnned but they had big punches and joes chin was shaky in his 2 fights with a big puncher.

stop listning to poets crap.you know full well that joe coulda used those fights