Joe Frazier beats both Klitschkos

[r.burgundy]

Who has knocked out the better fighters? You said Ali's power was ****. I've made a list of fighters who Ali ko'd. Show me a list of fighters either Klit has ko'd and we can debate from there if you're up to it.

me and you have much different takes on what a beter fighter is.ali fought the best of his era,he was able to k.o some.ali also fought alot of bums of the month,and wasnt able to k.o them.

vitali will finish his career with possibly the highest k.o ratio in history which means he k.od the best fighters he fought along with the worst.unlike ali.wlad has the possibilty of getting his ratio up to 90 as well.you can try and twist facts all you want,but stats dont lie.ali's k.o ration is around 65% .many of which can be attributed to fatigue of chasing him around the ring.

klits would k.o anybody ali has stopped but i cant say vice versa

[geribeetus]

who really knows. manny steward has said wlad has more power than tyson. as much as i like frazier, i can't say i'd bet my house that his chin would hold up.

[bojangles1987]

Who has knocked out the better fighters? You said Ali's power was ****. I've made a list of fighters who Ali ko'd. Show me a list of fighters either Klit has ko'd and we can debate from there if you're up to it.

Ease up on him JAB, he's not here to debate, he's here to troll. I know it's hard to ignore that kind of idiocy, but you'll never get anywhere.

[JAB5239]

Ease up on him JAB, he's not here to debate, he's here to troll. I know it's hard to ignore that kind of idiocy, but you'll never get anywhere.

I know Bo, that why I didn't respond to his last post. These guys like to make claims but hate to back them up with any substance.

[them_apples]

The Klitschkos are good punchers, but not great punchers. They don't hit as hard as even Lewis. they do throw a lot though and their opponent's aren't to great at avoiding shots and they lack heart. Wlad has a bit more pop than Vitali, but I'd pick Wlad to lose against most decent punchers because his defense is pretty much just based on his height.

Ali's power was average, he had some pop in his straight right hand but aside from that he tended to opt for speed and fluidity. His right hand was his money punch though, speed kills and that shot could knock you out.

I think Ali would have stopped Wlad probably around round 8, He'd decision Vitali or possibly stop him as well. I think Lewis would have stopped Vitali had the fight gone longer or had Lewis been at his peak.

Any good inside fighter with head movement would handle The K bros. Even if they did eat a shot coming in, It's not one shot KO power they are facing.

[r.burgundy]

The Klitschkos are good punchers, but not great punchers. They don't hit as hard as even Lewis. they do throw a lot though and their opponent's aren't to great at avoiding shots and they lack heart. Wlad has a bit more pop than Vitali, but I'd pick Wlad to lose against most decent punchers because his defense is pretty much just based on his height.

Ali's power was average, he had some pop in his straight right hand but aside from that he tended to opt for speed and fluidity. His right hand was his money punch though, speed kills and that shot could knock you out.

I think Ali would have stopped Wlad probably around round 8, He'd decision Vitali or possibly stop him as well. I think Lewis would have stopped Vitali had the fight gone longer or had Lewis been at his peak.

Any good inside fighter with head movement would handle The K bros. Even if they did eat a shot coming in, It's not one shot KO power they are facing.

mike tyson once said everybody has a gameplan till they get hit.so say frazier survives that hit is silly to me

[Bushidō]

I don't think Wlad would know what to do with Frazier.

[JAB5239]

I don't think Wlad would know what to do with Frazier.

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[DeepSleep]

so wlad has a questionable chin but joe doesnt lol?so now foreman has roy jones speed.get real.forman was slow as syrup and threw big looping punches from a mile away.stop trying to twist history.foreman didnt have a varied attack on offense.he was a slugger.plain and simple

Frazier was never knocked out by any fighters who were as bad as Lamon Brewster or Ross Purity, so I would say Frazier doesn't have a questionable chin like Wlad.

Foreman's hooks in close weren't Roy Jones Jr. fast but they were much faster than either of the K-Bro's hooks.

I never said Foreman had a varied offense, I said his hooks and uppercuts were faster and more powerful in close quarters than the K-Bros whose jabs and straights were more effective than big George's at range.

The Klitschko's are out fighters and Foreman was an in-fighter, comparing Frazier fight with Foreman to a fight with Vitali or Wlad is pointless

[them_apples]

Frazier was never knocked out by any fighters who were as bad as Lamon Brewster or Ross Purity, so I would say Frazier doesn't have a questionable chin like Wlad.

Foreman's hooks in close weren't Roy Jones Jr. fast but they were much faster than either of the K-Bro's hooks.

I never said Foreman had a varied offense, I said his hooks and uppercuts were faster and more powerful in close quarters than the K-Bros whose jabs and straights were more effective than big George's at range.

The Klitschko's are out fighters and Foreman was an in-fighter, comparing Frazier fight with Foreman to a fight with Vitali or Wlad is pointless

Frazier was actually tough as nails..like you said. his chin was great, his heart was even greater. He's like todays Marquez, you simply can't knock him out.