Where Does Golovkin Rank Among The All Time Middles?

[Haka]

Extrapolated from prime Nelo beating most of the 160s, the performance of past prime 3G against prime Nelo warrants it with at least one win that the judges did not grant due to Canelo being the younger franchise fighter.

[DeeMoney]

Who are the quality names on his resume that you are talking about?


Because they both made weight in the middleweight division. If Jacobs came in over then it would be something to talk about.

Geale, Murray, Macklin, and Proska were all good Middleweights- though I am hesitant to write as such the way people around here twist adjectives around.

People did make a big deal when Jacobs pulled the stunt, same as when he did it vs Canelo. His plan is to sign to fight for multiple belts IBF included, so while you abide by their same day weigh in requirements he can secretly be packing on extra weight to gain advantage. Then he just skips the same day weigh ins. I lost a lot of respect for him as he pulled that stunt twice.
People complain about weight bullies, but ignore Jacobs. The closest we'll ever get to same day weigh ins, and he's the test case for why they dont try it anymore. He comes in significantly bigger than a mid-30s GGG and then we act shocked when GGG doesnt get the KO

[NotIron]

Geale, Murray, Macklin, and Proska were all good Middleweights- though I am hesitant to write as such the way people around here twist adjectives around.

People did make a big deal when Jacobs pulled the stunt, same as when he did it vs Canelo. His plan is to sign to fight for multiple belts IBF included, so while you abide by their same day weigh in requirements he can secretly be packing on extra weight to gain advantage. Then he just skips the same day weigh ins. I lost a lot of respect for him as he pulled that stunt twice.
People complain about weight bullies, but ignore Jacobs. The closest we'll ever get to same day weigh ins, and he's the test case for why they dont try it anymore. He comes in significantly bigger than a mid-30s GGG and then we act shocked when GGG doesnt get the KO

I think "good" might be pushing it.

They are ok.

[joseph5620]

Extrapolated from prime Nelo beating most of the 160s, the performance of past prime 3G against prime Nelo warrants it with at least one win that the judges did not grant due to Canelo being the younger franchise fighter.

I thought Golovkin won the first fight. The second fight I gave the edge to Canelo but it was very close. But I will acknowledge that Canelo waited until Golovkin started to show some signs of vulnerability and age. For years Canelo had a belt at 160 and would not fight over 155 which I thought was a disgraceful way to avoid a fight with Golovkin. Golovkin also should have had the opportunity to fight Sergio Martinez who clearly didn't want the flight.

I think Golovkin would have had a stronger resume if he started younger as a pro.

[joseph5620]

Geale, Murray, Macklin, and Proska were all good Middleweights- though I am hesitant to write as such the way people around here twist adjectives around.

People did make a big deal when Jacobs pulled the stunt, same as when he did it vs Canelo. His plan is to sign to fight for multiple belts IBF included, so while you abide by their same day weigh in requirements he can secretly be packing on extra weight to gain advantage. Then he just skips the same day weigh ins. I lost a lot of respect for him as he pulled that stunt twice.
People complain about weight bullies, but ignore Jacobs. The closest we'll ever get to same day weigh ins, and he's the test case for why they dont try it anymore. He comes in significantly bigger than a mid-30s GGG and then we act shocked when GGG doesnt get the KO

The Canelo situation was different because Canelo actually put it in the contract for Jacobs to not in come in over 170. I don't believe Golovkin made the same request. It was an IBF requirement and Jacobs forfeited his chance to win the IBF belt by skipping the same day weigh in requirement.

Jacobs has been stopped at 160 so it's not like his same day weight made him an indestructible force.

[DeeMoney]

The Canelo situation was different because Canelo actually put it in the contract for Jacobs to not in come in over 170. I don't believe Golovkin made the same request request. It was an IBF requirement and Jacobs forfeited his chance to win the IBF belt by skipping the same day weigh in requirement.

Jacobs has been stopped at 160 so it's not like his same day weight made him an indestructible force.

His lone KO came years earlier in the pre-cancer time. But point still remains, he used the same sneaky tactic to gain a weight advantage in his two biggest fights

[joseph5620]

GGG should have accpeted 168 and set a max weight of the fight limit at 174 the night of the fight and KO'd the fouing Ward.

Again, what was the date of the offer? Link?

6-2017 was his last fight. In 11-2016 Ward rececived a gift win over Kovalev.

But where do you rate GGG?

Somewhere between 11-20. Not top 10

Also, those links I posted give you all the dates you need. I know you're running out of excuses but your questions and request are ridiculous. I've given you everything you need to answer those questions.

Golovkin ducked a fight with Ward and I proved it to you. The Ward-Kovalev fight is irrelevant.

[Haka]

I thought Golovkin won the first fight. The second fight I gave the edge to Canelo but it was very close. But I will acknowledge that Canelo waited until Golovkin started to show some signs of vulnerability and age. For years Canelo had a belt at 160 and would not fight over 155 which I thought was a disgraceful way to avoid a fight with Golovkin. Golovkin also should have had the opportunity to fight Sergio Martinez who clearly didn't want the flight.

I think Golovkin would have had a stronger resume if he started younger as a pro.

Froch didn't want the fight either who would've been tailor made for 3G, but losing to a smaller man would've shattered Frochs big ego. So the performance against prime of prime Nelo and the all around ducking of all the contemporary fighters starting from the 00s points to much evidence that 3G was the real deal ATG wise at MW.

[JAB5239]

Well, GGG did not retire until 2022. It not fair to rate him until after he retries for say 5 years. In the next IBRO poll ( 2035? GGG will rate in the top 10. )

He may. Not because he did more than the men who are in the top 10, but by that time some may be forgotten. What did he do from 2019 to 2022 that all of a sudden would put him in above those guys?

[JAB5239]

Well your "facts" are irrelevant and don't change the fact that Golovkin turned down a fight with Ward.


Sure. There are a lot of them. Ward even had the E- mail to prove it.

Andre Ward: Golovkin turned me down years ago, fight won't happen - CBSSports.com https://share.google/QrofEUQkp0oheS2Cv


Andre Ward slams Gennady Golovkin for rejecting fight offer https://share.google/Md7ofz580kK9BbReN


But I'm sure you'll come up with an excuse or a bogus reason not to believe it

Ouch!!!