Where Does Golovkin Rank Among The All Time Middles?

[The Big Dunce]

Monzon's ,"washed up relics"
Benvenuti no 1
Griffith no1
Moyer no3
Bouttier no4
Griffith no2
Bogs Unranked
Briscoe no6
Jose Napoles Welterweight Champ
Mundine Unranked
Bouttier no4
Licata no 2
Tonna no4
Valdes no 2
Valdes no1

Who should Monzon have defended against if not these ,"washed up relics? "LOL

Yuppers, washed up Griffith, Napoles, Benvenuti. Who did Valdez beat? Briscoe??? Slap yourself for that one. Marv would have backed up bird-legs all night.

[Haka]

A great fighter doesn't have to be in their prime weight class to still be considered a great fighter or a great win. The point is Golovkin doesn't have a win like that on his resume.

Hagler beat Hearns who in my opinion had a prime weight class of 147. Hearns was still a great fighter. Duran won another title at 168 pounds. Not in his prime weight class but Duran was still a great fighter.

Mayweather beat Manny Pacquiao who was no longer in his prime weight class but clearly still great.

Carlos Monzon beat 3 hall of fame fighters that were all above their best weight but still great fighters.

Hopkins beat Trinidad in their unification flght. Trinidad was in his third right class but clearly still great and it's a great win.


Golovkin has no wins like that on his resume and it's not the fault of modern boxing. He just didn't do it. He lost to Canelo and that is the only great fighter he's ever faced. He could have fought Andre Ward but chose not to. I know that was a move up in weight but it shows the opportunity was there. You can't use the era as an excuse.

Andre Ward offering Mayweather the fight at 160 in 2013 pulls the plug on your theory. 3G was outlanding prime Canelo by a margin of 30%, are there any fights in history were a draw was warranted based on such skewed statistics ? If not, what would that imply ?

[DeeMoney]

A great fighter doesn't have to be in their prime weight class to still be considered a great fighter or a great win. The point is Golovkin doesn't have a win like that on his resume.

Hagler beat Hearns who in my opinion had a prime weight class of 147. Hearns was still a great fighter. Duran won another title at 168 pounds. Not in his prime weight class but Duran was still a great fighter.

Mayweather beat Manny Pacquiao who was no longer in his prime weight class but clearly still great.

Carlos Monzon beat 3 hall of fame fighters that were all above their best weight but still great fighters.

Hopkins beat Trinidad in their unification flght. Trinidad was in his third right class but clearly still great and it's a great win.


Golovkin has no wins like that on his resume and it's not the fault of modern boxing. He just didn't do it. He lost to Canelo and that is the only great fighter he's ever faced. He could have fought Andre Ward but chose not to. I know that was a move up in weight but it shows the opportunity was there. You can't use the era as an excuse.

Thats fine, if your opinion is a great fighter doesnt have to be in their best weight class to be great. But outside of Golovkin, I still find the question to be interesting. How many great fighters in the past few decades have lost while in their prime at their best weight?

It just feels like those fights happen less often.

[Bronson66]

Yuppers, washed up Griffith, Napoles, Benvenuti. Who did Valdez beat? Briscoe??? Slap yourself for that one. Marv would have backed up bird-legs all night.

Griffith was the number 1 and number 2 contender when he challenged Monzon,should Monzon have avoided him? Monzon made 14 title defences in 6 years .


Twelve of them against men ranked in the top 6.

One other was the reigning Welterweight champion an ATG 147 pounder who had won his last 12 fights.

The other had been ranked 8 months before,would go on to win the Euro Middleweight title 5 months later and beat light heavies like Mike Quarry,Rafael Guiterrez,and Vincente Rondon at 175lbs and be ranked no 3 at Lhvy in1973 and no 10 in1974.

Now once again I ask you ,who should Monzon have fought instead of the names I have provided?
He twice beat the man who would succeed him as champion when aged 34 and 35.


I ask you who did Monzon duck?

Valdez is the only man to have stopped Briscoe each time Valdez fought Briscoe Bennie was a ranked contender.

Briscoe was 35 when he fought Hagler ,and Hagler couldnt stop him, couldn't even floor him!
You are ridiculous!

[joseph5620]

Andre Ward offering Mayweather the fight at 160 in 2013 pulls the plug on your theory. 3G was outlanding prime Canelo by a margin of 30%, are there any fights in history were a draw was warranted based on such skewed statistics ? If not, what would that imply ?

That has nothing to do with Golovkin turning down a fight with Ward. You didn't pull the plug on anything and there is no "theory". It's a fact that Golovkin turned down a fight with Ward and I posted every detail here to show it's a fact.

Trying to change the topic won't change the results or the facts.Your excuses for Golovkin are getting more desperate and more pathetic.

Also, using punch stats is meaningless to me. I don't need someone else's eyes to tell me how a fight is going. They also don't give you an accurate depiction of round by round scoring. They're just stats accumulated from each round from one person's point of view. So basically it's a silly statistic to use when scoring a fight.

I'll also add that Hagler's "draw" with Antuofermo was far more egregious than Golovkin's draw with Canelo. So yes I can name a draw in history worse than that. A lot of them were actually and I don't need punch stats for any of them.

[Bronson66]

Yuppers, washed up Griffith, Napoles, Benvenuti. Who did Valdez beat? Briscoe??? Slap yourself for that one. Marv would have backed up bird-legs all night.

Like he didn't back up 32 years old ex lightweight Duran, or Antuofermo? LOL

[The Big Dunce]

Griffith was the number 1 and number 2 contender when he challenged Monzon,should Monzon have avoided him? Monzon made 14 title defences in 6 years .


Twelve of them against men ranked in the top 6.

One other was the reigning Welterweight champion an ATG 147 pounder who had won his last 12 fights.

The other had been ranked 8 months before,would go on to win the Euro Middleweight title 5 months later and beat light heavies like Mike Quarry,Rafael Guiterrez,and Vincente Rondon at 175lbs and be ranked no 3 at Lhvy in1973 and no 10 in1974.

Now once again I ask you ,who should Monzon have fought instead of the names I have provided?
He twice beat the man who would succeed him as champion when aged 34 and 35.


I ask you who did Monzon duck?

Valdez is the only man to have stopped Briscoe each time Valdez fought Briscoe Bennie was a ranked contender.

Briscoe was 35 when he fought Hagler ,and Hagler couldnt stop him, couldn't even floor him!
You are ridiculous!

Where did I say Monzon ducked anyone? I don’t fault Monzon for fighting who was there, same way I don’t fault Golovkin for fighting who was there while other fighters avoided him. You seem disproportionately angry, try meditation or chamomile tea.

I’m not even a big Golovkin fan, but the people who trash his legacy also inflate the legacy of fighters who are no better or worse because they are blinded with hate.

[Haka]

That has nothing to do with Golovkin turning down a fight with Ward. You didn't pull the plug on anything and there is no "theory". It's a fact that Golovkin turned down a fight with Ward and I posted every detail here to show it's a fact.

Trying to change the topic won't change the results or the facts.Your excuses for Golovkin are getting more desperate and more pathetic.

Also, using punch stats is meaningless to me. I don't need someone else's eyes to tell me how a fight is going. They also don't give you an accurate depiction of round by round scoring. They're just stats accumulated from each round from one person's point of view. So basically it's a silly statistic to use when scoring a fight.

I'll also add that Hagler's "draw" with Antuofermo was far more egregious than Golovkin's draw with Canelo. So yes I can name a draw in history worse than that. A lot of them were actually and I don't need punch stats for any of them.

From 2013 up until the latter 2015 negotiations it is the man himself admitting on his own accord he could have made 160 all along. That is a full on 2 years of not making the fight while expecting to make the fight on short notice on new terms when 3G was already booked. As far as the draw being legit, you sure do need the opinion of some judge (who might have never picked up a glove as far as anyone is concerned) to feel legitimized in your opinion.

[joseph5620]

From 2013 up until the latter 2015 negotiations it is the man himself admitting on his own accord he could have made 160 all along. That is a full on 2 years of not making the fight while expecting to make the fight on short notice on new terms when 3G was already booked. As far as the draw being legit, you sure do need the opinion of some judge (who might have never picked up a glove as far as anyone is concerned) to feel legitimized in your opinion.

Doesn't change the fact that Golovkin turned down a fight with Ward.. I'm not sure what part of that you're not understanding. Neither Ward or Golovkin's team ever discussed fighting at 160 so what are you even talking about? Golovkin's team wanted 164 and Ward agreed to it. It wasn't turned down on short notice either. There was plenty of time to agree to terms for a fight. Golovkin and his team didn't want it. You just made that up.

Any comments Ward made about Mayweather are irrelevant and change nothing.

[Haka]

Doesn't change the fact that Golovkin turned down a fight with Ward.. I'm not sure what part of that you're not understanding. Neither Ward or Golovkin's team ever discussed fighting at 160 so what are your even talking about? Golovkin's team wanted 164 and Ward agreed to it. It wasn't turned down on short notice either. There was plenty of time to agree to terms for a fight. Golovkin and his team didn't want it. You just made that up.

Any comments Ward made about Mayweather are irrelevant and change nothing.

Allegedly turned down an offer, where nobody has the emails of receipt of while 3G was already booked.