Lennox revising history re Vitali rematch

[JAB5239]

Nonsense. Vitali was the terrorizer. The big names didn't want to end up like Hide, Johnson, Sanders, Williams. There were safer options than Vitali, the man who chased the goat into retirement.

You make it seem like there was a line ****ing on Vitali's door to fight him. I said Vitali very possibly tanked to Byrd to set up Wladimir with an easy title. Vitali showed no hint of pain after he quit and never demanded a rematch which he did with Lennox. Pretty obvious Vitali tanked vs Byrd.

He didn't tank, he quit. Not that I fault him for quitting with an injury, but i do fault him for never trying to avenge that loss. Your opinion though is nonsense with zero facts to back it up.

[Willie Pep 229]

He didn't tank, he quit. Not that I fault him for quitting with an injury, but i do fault him for never trying to avenge that loss. Your opinion though is nonsense with zero facts to back it up.

Is it true that great fighters fight with one hand?

We hear it stated often, but we really don't know.

I remember a referee leaning into a corner once and saying, "If you don't use your right hand I'm gonna have to stop it."

I just can't remember if it was a fight or Hollywood. LOL

[Bronson66]

Nonsense. Vitali was the terrorizer. The big names didn't want to end up like Hide, Johnson, Sanders, Williams. There were safer options than Vitali, the man who chased the goat into retirement.

You make it seem like there was a line ****ing on Vitali's door to fight him. I said Vitali very possibly tanked to Byrd to set up Wladimir with an easy title. Vitali showed no hint of pain after he quit and never demanded a rematch which he did with Lennox. Pretty obvious Vitali tanked vs Byrd.

Vitali won the WBO title from Ring unranked Hide.
Vitali defended his WBO title against 2 against unranked opponents;
Mahone and Sullivan1999
He lost it to Byrd 2000 who was also unranked until after he beat Vitali .

Vitali won vacant WBC title in 2004 against Sanders .
Defended it against unranked Williams
Retired injured.
Came back in2008 beat Peter Ring ranked no 7 to win the WBC title
2009 Defended against
Gomez no9
Arreola no 6
KevinJohnson Unranked

2010 Defended against
Sosnowski Unranked
Briggs Unranked
2011Defended against
Solis May have been ranked no 10?
Adamek no4

2012 Defended against
Chisora Unranked
Charr Unranked

Retired
Twelve successful defences of two versions of titles, the WBO and the WBC.

Four possibly, five ranked challengers defended against, out of twelve .
Yeah he sure terrorized them ! lol

Vitali quit against Byrd after 9 rounds in a fight in which he was leading against a man 34lbs lighter and 5 inches smaller who took the fight on10 days notice,leading on points, he chose to quit rather than gut it out for the 3 more remaining rounds.
These are what are known as FACTS .

[Haka]

I wouldn't know. But I can guarantee the Vits - Hoffman fight was announced before Wlad and Byrd fought. Which in turn means that Vits could have had the rematch had he wanted it. He didn't though, and that is obvious.

This can all be reduced to rhetoric without any factual legitimacy unless you can prove Vitali was medically cleared before the Wlad - Byrd fight was signed.

[JAB5239]

This can all be reduced to rhetoric without any factual legitimacy unless you can prove Vitali was medically cleared before the Wlad - Byrd fight was signed.

I don't have to prove it because we know he fought a month after Byrd and Wlad. That is a fact. Just like it's a fact Vits claimed injury to postpone the Rahman mandatory. When Rahman signed to fight Barrett he suddenly and miraculously healed enough to try and make a fight with Maskaev a month and a half later only to have the fight rejected by HBO. Seems to be a pattern, doesnt it? These facts are irrefutable. He could have made the Byrd rematch but avoided it, just like he did everything possible to avoid Rahman until he retired instead of getting stripped of his WBC trinket. All this and you guys want to blame Lewis for winning and retiring. And he stayed retired. Vits ducking is excused when he loses, but Lewis wins and you think he owed Vits a rematch. BRILLIANT!!! The double standards by the Klitschko nuthuggers are ridiculous!!

[Haka]

I don't have to prove it because we know he fought a month after Byrd and Wlad. That is a fact. Just like it's a fact Vits claimed injury to postpone the Rahman mandatory. When Rahman signed to fight Barrett he suddenly and miraculously healed enough to try and make a fight with Maskaev a month and a half later only to have the fight rejected by HBO. Seems to be a pattern, doesnt it? These facts are irrefutable. He could have made the Byrd rematch but avoided it, just like he did everything possible to avoid Rahman until he retired instead of getting stripped of his WBC trinket. All this and you guys want to blame Lewis for winning and retiring. And he stayed retired. Vits ducking is excused when he loses, but Lewis wins and you think he owed Vits a rematch. BRILLIANT!!! The double standards by the Klitschko nuthuggers are ridiculous!!

This theory depends on Vitali faking his injury which I don't buy into since he fought the most dangerous opponent of the era in Lennox. 6 weeks does not seem like a lot but it is a considerable amount of time in the healing trajectory of a rotator cuff injury which takes 6 months.

[Bennyleonard99]

He didn't tank, he quit. Not that I fault him for quitting with an injury, but i do fault him for never trying to avenge that loss. Your opinion though is nonsense with zero facts to back it up.

Not a hint of any pain or discomfort. No evidence of an injury during the fight or after, just his word. The guy later fought with his face falling off vs Lennox but couldnt box with one arm vs a softee like Byrd? I think he threw the fight, didn't demand the rematch, which set up his weaker brother with any easy title shot vs Byrd. Imagine how much the ukrainian mob could have made knowing Vitali was going to tank in the tenth round.

Vitali did not demand the rematch. That says it all.

[Bennyleonard99]

Vitali defended his WBO title against 2 against unranked opponents;
Mahone and Sullivan1999
He lost it to Byrd 2000 who was also unranked until after he beat Vitali .

Vitali won vacant WBC title in 2004 against Sanders .
Defended it against unranked Williams
Retired injured.
Came back in2008 beat Peter Ring ranked no 7 to win the WBC title
2009 Defended against
Gomez no9
Arreola no 6
KevinJohnson Unranked

2010 Defended against
Sosnowski Unranked
Briggs Unranked
2011Defended against
Solis May have been ranked no 10?
Adamek no4

2012 Defended against
Chisora Unranked
Charr Unranked

Retired
Twelve successful defences of two versions of titles, the WBO and the WBC.

Four possibly, five ranked challengers defended against, out of twelve .
Yeah he sure terrorized them ! lol

Vitali quit against Byrd after 9 rounds in a fight in which he was leading against a man 34lbs lighter and 5 inches smaller who took the fight on10 days notice,leading on points, he chose to quit rather than gut it out for the 3 more remaining rounds.
These are what are known as FACTS .

Champions can't defend titles against unranked fighters. They have to be ranked to get a shot. Where are you getting your suspect info?
To imply one of the HWT GOATS handpicked his way to a phony record is ridiculous. Vitali may have even been the goat at his peak. Like I said before, the Byrd fight was a tank job IMO. Fake injury to set up his brother with an easy title shot.

[Bronson66]

Champions can't defend titles against unranked fighters. They have to be ranked to get a shot. Where are you getting your suspect info?
To imply one of the HWT GOATS handpicked his way to a phony record is ridiculous. Vitali may have even been the goat at his peak. Like I said before, the Byrd fight was a tank job IMO. Fake injury to set up his brother with an easy title shot.

Your opening statement is total bollocks!
To say it tells us you dont know WTF you are talking about!

Here are some examples of Heavyweight champions defending against unranked challengers,

Joe Louis versus;

Thomas
Roper
McCoy
Musto
Dorazio

Patterson versus;
Rademacher


Frazier versus;
Stander
Daniels

Ali versus;
Dunn
Williams
Cooper

Holmes versus;
Ledoux
Frank
Rodriguez

You're just A FAN BOY! LOL

[Bronson66]

Not a hint of any pain or discomfort. No evidence of an injury during the fight or after, just his word. The guy later fought with his face falling off vs Lennox but couldnt box with one arm vs a softee like Byrd? I think he threw the fight, didn't demand the rematch, which set up his weaker brother with any easy title shot vs Byrd. Imagine how much the ukrainian mob could have made knowing Vitali was going to tank in the tenth round.

Vitali did not demand the rematch. That says it all.

So,according to you, Vitali faked an injury and lost his title to Byrd so that his Brother could then win it?

How could he be certain Wlad would get that title shot,and why not just keep the title himself?
Leaving aside the total absence of proof of your theory ,where is a the logic to it?

What advantage was gained?