Why I've come to respect Rocky Marciano so much (and it's not about 49-0).

[Bronson66]

In theory his Suzie Q was as important in its hip movement as it was his right hand.

There was more going on in Marciano than just being a mere thug.

But to many he wasn't the right skin color to be a great boxer. There is a racist rule that says white skin can't fight so he must have been given help, while all black fighters were held back.

How many White boxers were denied chances at titles because of their colour?
How many of them had to take the short end of the purse because they were White?

[Willie Pep 229]

How many White boxers were denied chances at titles because of their colour?
How many of them had to take the short end of the purse because they were White?

You're arguing that a wrong by others makes you right.

[QueensburyRules]

Actually its pretty much established that in the latter part of his career , Goldman sacrificed some of that power coaching Rocky in throwing combinations.

- - Thus leveraging his power when he used it...another DUH for U.

[Bronson66]

- - Thus leveraging his power when he used it...another DUH for U.

No, actually the opposite,

[Bronson66]

You're arguing that a wrong by others makes you right.

Not at all,I'm flat out stating that there was never any colour prejudice against white boxers.
That they were never seen ,either by promoters or the general public as being inferior in boxing ability to black boxers.
I'm saying they got vastly more opportunities than black boxers ever did and often because of the colour of their skin.
I'm saying promoters were reluctant to pit two black boxers against each other in championship contests because they did not draw.



I'm saying that white boxers often got the lions share of the purse for the same reason.

I'm saying that this did not begin to change until Joe Louis came along.and even into comparatively recent years white boxers got more than their share of media coverage eg Cooney, Morrison.

Im saying this was the reason there was The White Hope era.

I'm saying this was why hugely talented black boxers of the1890's and early to middle1920s were forced to fight each other on the "Chittling Circuit" for peanuts to earn a crust of bread,or become like Armstrong ,Martin Godfrey,part time spar mates for white champions and white contenders .

I'm saying this is the reason the Black Murderers Row never got their chances at world titles,whilst lesser talented white fighters did.

I'm saying that it is well documented that black fighters were sometimes forced to wear the cuffs when fighting white men.

This isnt just about colour prejudice either,its about GREEN prejudice$$$$$$. Fight crowds were predominantly white and as is to some extent rather natural, they identified and rooted for white guys in the ring.

Provide an example of a white boxer who was underestimated,devaluated below his true worth because of his skin colour?

[Willie Pep 229]

Not at all,I'm flat out stating that there was never any colour prejudice against white boxers.
That they were never seen ,either by promoters or the general public as being inferior in boxing ability to black boxers.
I'm saying they got vastly more opportunities than black boxers ever did and often because of the colour of their skin.
I'm saying promoters were reluctant to pit two black boxers against each other in championship contests because they did not draw.



I'm saying that white boxers often got the lions share of the purse for the same reason.

I'm saying that this did not begin to change until Joe Louis came along.and even into comparatively recent years white boxers got more than their share of media coverage eg Cooney, Morrison.

Im saying this was the reason there was The White Hope era.

I'm saying this was why hugely talented black boxers of the1890's and early to middle1920s were forced to fight each other on the "Chittling Circuit" for peanuts to earn a crust of bread,or become like Armstrong ,Martin Godfrey,part time spar mates for white champions and white contenders .

I'm saying this is the reason the Black Murderers Row never got their chances at world titles,whilst lesser talented white fighters did.

I'm saying that it is well documented that black fighters were sometimes forced to wear the cuffs when fighting white men.

This isnt just about colour prejudice either,its about GREEN prejudice$$$$$$. Fight crowds were predominantly white and as is to some extent rather natural, they identified and rooted for white guys in the ring.

Provide an example of a white boxer who was underestimated,devaluated below his true worth because of his skin colour?

I am actually offended that you think I didn't know this.

What's the point of me replying if you think I don't know this?

For what it is worth. Which I am not sure anything anymore, considering the (maybe unintentional) condesending post you just sent me, I was saying that, yes, black fighters got screwed but that is not the fault of a white fighter, just systemic racism.

[Bronson66]

I am actually offended that you think I didn't know this.

What's the point of me replying if you think I don't know this?

For what it is worth. Which I am not sure anything anymore, considering the (maybe unintentional) condesending post you just sent me, I was saying that, yes, black fighters got screwed but that is not the fault of a white fighter, just systemic racism.

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I'm simply asking for proof of the statement below.

"But to many he wasn't the right skin color to be a great boxer. There is a racist rule that says white skin can't fight so he must have been given help, while all black fighters were held back"
I think it's nonsense.

Which racist rule? I've never come across it in over 60 years of following boxing.

Give some examples to prove your point?Which white fighters did this apply to?

No condescension,just common knowledge.

[Willie Pep 229]

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I'm simply asking for proof of the statement below.

"But to many he wasn't the right skin color to be a great boxer. There is a racist rule that says white skin can't fight so he must have been given help, while all black fighters were held back"
I think it's nonsense.

Which racist rule? I've never come across it in over 60 years of following boxing.

Give some examples to prove your point?Which white fighters did this apply to?

No condescension,just common knowledge.

No, no, no!

I am not talking about the fight game.

I can't show you proof, because you guys are the proof.

I was talking about you guys not the history of boxing.

Pkease re-read:

But to many he wasn't the right skin color to be a great boxer. There is a racist rule that says white skin can't fight so he must have been given help, while all black fighters were held back"

"Many" -- those on this forum.

"racist rule" -- a sarcastic remark as to how this racist forum conducts itself.

Don't follow the racist rule and you will get jumped. And then you all chase one another around giving one another "likes."

On this forum every white fighter is automatically suspect and every black fighter was greater than he was . . . . . . on this forum.

P.S. It still may be "nonsense" but it is a different nonsense.

[Willie Pep 229]

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I'm simply asking for proof of the statement below.

"But to many he wasn't the right skin color to be a great boxer. There is a racist rule that says white skin can't fight so he must have been given help, while all black fighters were held back"
I think it's nonsense.

Which racist rule? I've never come across it in over 60 years of following boxing.

Give some examples to prove your point?Which white fighters did this apply to?

No condescension,just common knowledge.

Now I think I understand. You were NOT being condescending if you thought, I thought the game was fixed against whites. That would be nonsense.

America has always given the black man less. Boxing is no different.

[them_apples]

One fact remains though:

blacks have never dominated boxing even in eras without racial bias.

fighting is an art nothing more nothing less. It starts in the mind

noobs think it’s athleticism

skin doesnt matter and we have plenty of proof