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    Why I Have Come to Respect Rocky Marciano So Much And Its Not About 49-0


    I wasnt always a big Marciano fan. I didnt grow up idolizing him and I didnt just accept the 49-0 argument at face value. In fact for a long time I didnt rate him as highly as others did

    That changed when I actually started studying him. Watching the fights closely. Looking at how he moved how he broke guys down. And I will be honest my respect for him now doesnt come from his body of work it comes from the way he fought
    The Obsession Behind the Fighter


    Marciano was obsessed. This wasnt just some hard working guy. He trained every hour of every day to build a body that could go to war. He worked on his neck jaw rotator cuffs back core legs and lungs constantly not just to look good but to become a machine

    He didnt train for fights. He lived like he was always in camp. Every detail mattered. He understood that you dont build power or endurance just with technique you build it with obsessive full time conditioning

    I call this the art of effort. He wasnt the most athletic guy or the tallest or the fastest but no heavyweight in history pushed harder longer or more consistently than Marciano. His average day was probably harder than most fighters peak days
    Baseball Timing and Why His Power Was Different


    Before boxing Marciano was obsessed with baseball. That is not a throwaway fact it actually explains a ton about his punching mechanics

    Baseball is all about timing. You are trying to generate power and precision against a fast moving object. You swing with your entire body legs hips shoulders wrists in one explosive chain. That is exactly how Marciano punched

    He didnt throw textbook shots. He punched like he was swinging a bat short loaded shots with every ounce of his kinetic chain behind them. That is where his true power came from. Not brute strength but sequencing leverage and torque. He understood the physics of violence
    The Resume Not the Deepest But Definitely Underrated


    People love to discredit his resume. Too small Too old Weak era. But that is lazy analysis

    First of all Marciano weighed 184 to 187 lbs. He wasnt big himself so acting like he bullied smaller guys makes no sense. Most of his opponents actually outweighed him

    And he did fight some big guys they just werent elite enough to be remembered by the public. But the best names on his resume They were technically brilliant fighters
    • Ezzard Charles was more skilled and experienced than anyone on Alis resume.
    • Jersey Joe Walcott was clever durable and gave Joe Louis serious problems. He didnt suddenly become useless overnight
    • Joe Louis while past his prime was still beating contenders and could have avoided Rocky if he wanted to. He didnt and Rocky ended his career

    Let us not ignore that Marciano ended careers. He didnt squeak by. He broke guys down and retired them. That matters
    Lets Compare That to Liston and Tyson


    If we are going to talk resumes let us stop pretending Marcianos is worse than Sonny Listons or Mike Tysons
    • Liston lost early lost in his prime and folded late. His best win was over Patterson a blown up middleweight who got stopped multiple times in his own right
    • Tyson was a beast no doubt. But when he faced top level guys who didnt fold Holyfield Lewis he broke. His resume is loaded with guys who were beaten before the first bell

    Meanwhile Rocky Never folded Never got outworked Never once took a round off
    And This Is Why I Rate Him Now


    Look this isnt about making Marciano number one on some mythical all time list. Its about understanding why he was special

    He didnt just win. He imposed his will

    He had a motor no one could match. Joe Frazier Love the guy but he didnt have Marcianos reserve tank. He didnt carry that kind of relentless pace deep into fights. He got hurt. Rocky You cannot find a moment where he really looked hurt. Go watch the tapes even when he touches down the lights never went off and the legs never wavered. if anything this signalled something bad was coming in retaliation

    And listen to the guys who fought him they all say the same things
    • You could not hurt him
    • The pressure never stopped
    • He was freakishly strong

    When both Ali and Joe Louis say a guy was immensely strong not just strong but like something otherworldly you better believe there is something there worth noticing
    Final Word


    I didnt start off as a Marciano fan. But the more I watched the more I learned and the more I respected him

    Not for being perfect Not for having the best opponents

    But for showing what true obsessive total dedication to fighting looks like. For fighting like every second mattered. For turning himself into the most efficient relentless machine the sport has ever seen. TRUE DEDICATION produces exactly what Marciano was, extremely light for his size but immensly strong and durable. Many simply cannot understand this because he's one of the only guys who did this. Out side of a few other great fighters like Sam Langford and Harry Greb. both of them accomplished this in the same way he did with obsession.

    That is why I rate him the way I do
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    This is a great analysis and breakdown. I agree. I believes he gives most modern or historical light heavyweights/ cruiserweights ( below 200) a good fight.

    No way he's beats the bigger 80s, 90s and 00s heavyweights. Don't get me wrong he might have the power to land on them but I think the Klitschkos, Holmes, Lennox and etc would take him to school.

    I think prime Joe Louis beats him too but I know thats opening a rabbit hole. Either way Rocky beat him so he gets the credit and thats fine.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MalevolentBite View Post
      This is a great analysis and breakdown. I agree. I believes he gives most modern or historical light heavyweights/ cruiserweights ( below 200) a good fight.

      No way he's beats the bigger 80s, 90s and 00s heavyweights. Don't get me wrong he might have the power to land on them but I think the Klitschkos, Holmes, Lennox and etc would take him to school.

      I think prime Joe Louis beats him too but I know thats opening a rabbit hole. Either way Rocky beat him so he gets the credit and thats fine.
      yes he does man, he crushes all the big guys. we can disagree though! I hope one day others will see what I mean

      guys like Lewis and Kbros are just big targets. to the outside observer it seems hard to believe - in the ring I'd bet my life he crushes them.
      Last edited by them_apples; 07-06-2025, 01:51 PM.

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      • #4
        for the record - for those who don't know. I am a bit of a boxing nerd myself in the gym. I do my own version of "Marciano" training. and this is partly was fuels my obsession with him - real world results. have a look: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLvUdPCP-f7/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=M3RjaHZjdzU5aGRw All the things I mentioned in this post - I do my best to replicate in my own life to see what happens. since then the results have been astronomical I can spar guys that out weigh me by 40 lbs and have no issues at all.​
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        • #5
          Originally posted by them_apples View Post

          yes he does man, he crushes all the big guys. we can disagree though! I hope one day others will see what I mean

          guys like Lewis and Kbros are just big targets. to the outside observer it seems hard to believe - in the ring I'd bet my life he crushes them.
          I think he could beat Wlad. But no way Vitali or Lennox would let him get that close. And Larry has the best Jab in boxing and will come off the canvas and win.

          Rocky vs Uysk would be interesting since Uysk doesn't like body shots and they are both undersize modern heavyweights.

          I am not saying he couldn't beat bigger guys, i dont think he can beat bigger guys with a very good jab and distance.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by them_apples View Post
            for the record - for those who don't know. I am a bit of a boxing nerd myself in the gym. I do my own version of "Marciano" training. and this is partly was fuels my obsession with him - real world results. have a look: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLvUdPCP-f7/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=M3RjaHZjdzU5aGRw All the things I mentioned in this post - I do my best to replicate in my own life to see what happens. since then the results have been astronomical I can spar guys that out weigh me by 40 lbs and have no issues at all.â
            I liked few of your post.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by MalevolentBite View Post

              I think he could beat Wlad. But no way Vitali or Lennox would let him get that close. And Larry has the best Jab in boxing and will come off the canvas and win.

              Rocky vs Uysk would be interesting since Uysk doesn't like body shots and they are both undersize modern heavyweights.

              I am not saying he couldn't beat bigger guys, i dont think he can beat bigger guys with a very good jab and distance.
              because he fights in a crouch and is so strong while remaining a small target. they could not hold him off. Louis had probably the best heavyweight jab ever in terms of over all technique coupled with power. Even at Louis' advanced age we are watching one of the most educated heavyweight jabs on film. and Louis could not hold him off.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MalevolentBite View Post

                I liked few of your post.
                followed you

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                • #9
                  Another thing about Marciano that I failed to mention - he's a very crafty and clever fighter. He knows he has one punch KO power - so a lot of his style is actually baiting and suckering opponents in so he can land on them. He does a lot of "pretending" to be slow, pretending to be hittable. He'll walk backwards as an opponent pushes them to make them confident. If you watch closely though - when he wants to do something, he does it - and does it easily. he overpowers everyone. This sounds absurd to some - but I do this all the time in sparring. they won't expect your speed or power and become vulnerable. Have a look at some of my sparring videos with my good friend ( has has about 50 fights, professionally and amateur combined).

                  The further back you go - you'll notice many fighters do this. Langford Johnson Louis etc
                  Last edited by them_apples; 07-06-2025, 02:26 PM.

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                  • #10
                    It's hard not to admire Marciano's dedication, conditioning, will to win, etc.

                    But to claim that he would crush all the big HWs that came after him, is absurd! To think that guys like Lewis the Ks, etc. would just be big targets with no chance against him, is the hight if silliness and hero-worship.

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