Why I've come to respect Rocky Marciano so much (and it's not about 49-0).

[Willie Pep 229]

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I'm simply asking for proof of the statement below.

"But to many he wasn't the right skin color to be a great boxer. There is a racist rule that says white skin can't fight so he must have been given help, while all black fighters were held back"
I think it's nonsense.

Which racist rule? I've never come across it in over 60 years of following boxing.

Give some examples to prove your point?Which white fighters did this apply to?

No condescension,just common knowledge.

Now I think I understand. You were NOT being condescending if you thought, I thought the game was fixed against whites. That would be nonsense.

America has always given the black man less. Boxing is no different.

[them_apples]

One fact remains though:

blacks have never dominated boxing even in eras without racial bias.

fighting is an art nothing more nothing less. It starts in the mind

noobs think it’s athleticism

skin doesnt matter and we have plenty of proof

[them_apples]

OP is (french, native and chinese) no my admiration of Marciano has nothing to do with his Mediterranean skin

[travestyny]

One fact remains though:

blacks have never dominated boxing even in eras without racial bias.

fighting is an art nothing more nothing less. It starts in the mind

noobs think itâÃÂÃÂs athleticism

skin doesnt matter and we have plenty of proof

Is the argument here that no race has ever dominated boxing.... or that boxing has always been dominated by non Black boxers...?

[QueensburyRules]

One fact remains though:

blacks have never dominated boxing even in eras without racial bias.

fighting is an art nothing more nothing less. It starts in the mind

noobs think itâÃÂÃÂs athleticism

skin doesnt matter and we have plenty of proof

- - Some boxers are very athletic, others not so much like TwoTonToney.

If you totaled all the big sports, they would include boxing as all being part of the Athletic World.

[Mr Mitts]

As for racial hierarchy in sports, fast twitch fibers are the rule of the day. That is what people want, because that is pretty to watch and what normal fans think of as athleticism--grace under pressure. A result is that guys like Shakur Stevenson and Tank Davis are elevated to P4P status and eyed nearly as ATGs far, far too early. Those guys get that kind of break because they happen to have more fast twitch fibers, look exciting and own several spectacular KOs over questionable opposition. Fans were geared up to elevate Jermall Charlo prematurely before nature stepped in.

Back to poor Marciano, who probably didn't have a fast twitch fiber to his name.

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It is worse than disrespectful to exaggerate a man's game as if he needs it to retain his position. Rock did what he did. It is on record. He does not need the disrespect of exaggeration to be great. He has already accomplished it by himself.

Under all the changes that have come, and those still to come, a place is cleared for Marciano. The future makes the simple shift, and Rock is now considered the possible GOAT at the old cruiser weight limit of 190 pounds.

[Bronson66]

One fact remains though:

blacks have never dominated boxing even in eras without racial bias.

fighting is an art nothing more nothing less. It starts in the mind

noobs think itâÃÂÃÂs athleticism

skin doesnt matter and we have plenty of proof

Are you familiar with the phrase ."as the heavyweights go ,so goes boxing?"
Well the 60's, 70's,and 80's heavyweight division was dominated by blacks.

[travestyny]

No, no, no!

I am not talking about the fight game.

I can't show you proof, because you guys are the proof.

I was talking about you guys not the history of boxing.

Pkease re-read:

But to many he wasn't the right skin color to be a great boxer. There is a racist rule that says white skin can't fight so he must have been given help, while all black fighters were held back"

"Many" -- those on this forum.

"racist rule" -- a sarcastic remark as to how this racist forum conducts itself.

Don't follow the racist rule and you will get jumped. And then you all chase one another around giving one another "likes."

On this forum every white fighter is automatically suspect and every black fighter was greater than he was . . . . . . on this forum.

P.S. It still may be "nonsense" but it is a different nonsense.

I have not seen members here posting that opinion.

Many???? Which posters here have made this clam? This is completely made up.



In all honesty, this is nothing more than you continuing to cry all around the board that some posters realize Dempsey was complicit in ducking Wills. You made a colorline thread trying to shift blame, and posts like this are just another manifestation of that. And it's so plain to see.

[QueensburyRules]

I have not seen members here posting that opinion.

Many???? Which posters here have made this clam? This is completely made up.



In all honesty, this is nothing more than you continuing to cry all around the board that some posters realize Dempsey was complicit in ducking Wills. You made a colorline thread trying to shift blame, and posts like this are just another manifestation of that. And it's so plain to see.

- - Neither Dempsey or Rocky drew the color line and thems the facts Jackson. Used to be Rocky retired to avoid Liston floated by the usual lowbrows who heavily penetrate boxing in all aspects. Facts were Liston was avenging his loss to little Monte Marshall in 1955 when Rocky had his last fight vs Archie and wasn't even rated by Ring until 1958 long after Rocky retired.

[travestyny]

- - Neither Dempsey or Rocky drew the color line and thems the facts Jackson. Used to be Rocky retired to avoid Liston floated by the usual lowbrows who heavily penetrate boxing in all aspects. Facts were Liston was avenging his loss to little Monte Marshall in 1955 when Rocky had his last fight vs Archie and wasn't even rated by Ring until 1958 long after Rocky retired.

That's not true.