Mayweather's Position, All Time P4P List

[Kid Cauliflower]

How is this even possible?

On a list of those who beat the most HOFers, he ties with Greb for 1st place (both defeated 15 HOFers). Surely McLarnin is one of the better-known historical boxers!

What do you want me to do, cry?

[IronDanHamza]

You got it! I am going to answer their diatribes in this reply to you.

First of all, I don't care about anyone beating a Hall of Fame fighter. Everything hinges on when it happened. These Mayweather nuthogs like to forget that, when it comes to their favorite snack.

Hall of Fame is a joke. How many thousands do they have enshrined in that dump?

Poopooers should read the name very carefully again--it is a Hall of Fame. Sorry, fame is not enough for me, fellas. I don't care a whit about beating a hall of fame fighter. It is nonsense. Have you ever seen me use it to defend Anything? A fighter is simply well known enough to get in or not. Is Butterbean in there yet?

I don't care who beat a ranked fighter either, since politicized rankings are one of the most putrid aspects of boxing. I only care about beating the best available to you. All were available for a Mayweather payday. Hence, it is all on Floyd, every bit of it.

No one had the talent and expertise of Mayweather. Jones had the talent but not the technical expertise of Floyd. Outside of Pep I can't name anyone with Mayweathers defensive skill. Was he good enough to be called great? Yes, without a question. The unaided eye could see that much. I was greatly impressed.

But then there is what we did not see--Mayweather beating the shit out of another prime monster. Didn't see it, all because of one man's choices, not any other reason.

I required further litmus tests that Floyd refused to take. He had a different idea, one that marks him as a wannabe history manipulator. Fight all the old guys you can, if you figure they still have the big name and especially if they are future hall of famers. Most people in the future are not going to ask the age and career trajectories of those HOFers he beat. But I do.

Knowing little about McClarnin, Ross and Canzoneri is on me, my bad. But I could not place fighters above him I am so unfamiliar with. Jab (I think) pointed out that those 3 plus Ike Williams often get short shrift around here. You will be lucky if you even find their names in passing in a thread. The same goes for many others.

And, yes, even Andre Ward did more than Mayweather. I don't even like Ward, could barely stand to watch his fights hoping for him to be KOd. But he fought guys who were still good, and some without giant names. That is what I require.

You boys can wet your pants all you want. What you are doing is extrapolating what you think Mayweather could have done without actually seeing him do it. Not good enough.

HOF usually means they're pretty good though doesn't it. And Mayweather beat multiple ones in their prime, all 3 of which were in the Top 10 P4P list so how do you explain that one?

A lot of just nonsense excuses coming from you really, you only care about things when they suit you. You don't care about rankings, or anything like that because it doesn't suit your agenda here.

To argue Andre Ward did more in his boxing career than Floyd Mayweather has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. I struggle to believe you even actually believe that.

[DeeMoney]

What exactly do you mean by this? Are we to imagine, that we enlage Floyd until he's a LHW, and then let the two battle it out in the ring? If this is the idea, how would we know, what Mayweather would look like at 175 lbs? For one thing, he would surely be slower than at 147.

Its a fun challenge, and we do it all the time. Think of it this way, who had more power Ali or Duran? In a real life sense clearly Ali, he was a heavyweight and would be able to generate more force than a lightweight Duran. But on a P4P level, we all recognize that Duran (Manos de Piedra) relatively had more power as a lightweight than Ali, who relatively had average power for a heavyweight.

And thats the key word when discussing P4P: relatively. When compared to the rest of their weight class what were their measurements or attributes.

So take those attributes in a +/- sense for two fighters in different weight classes and then imbue them into a body of equal weight classes. Give them the style, skills, and smarts, and then who do you think would win. No different than any other mythical matchup.

[GhostofDempsey]

He is nowhere near my top 25. He never beat an elite level fighter at their best. It was a career of smoke and mirrors. Which is unfortunate because he is a highly skilled defensive fighter who never truly tested himself. His illegal IV casts a shadow of doubt over his career and makes me wonder how long he was getting away with whatever he was masking.

[Kid Cauliflower]

HOF usually means they're pretty good though doesn't it. And Mayweather beat multiple ones in their prime, all 3 of which were in the Top 10 P4P list so how do you explain that one?

A lot of just nonsense excuses coming from you really, you only care about things when they suit you. You don't care about rankings, or anything like that because it doesn't suit your agenda here.

To argue Andre Ward did more in his boxing career than Floyd Mayweather has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. I struggle to believe you even actually believe that.

Yeah, pretty good. But not real good or prime. Whose excuses are nonsense is up to whoever is reading. You don't get to choose for them.

And what's this Did More bullshit anyway? Ward fought some prime fighters, something Mayweather didn't do. That is what Ward did more of. He didn't win multiple titles, he was undefeated, and just like your Floyd he couldn't punch hard either. I believe he had the necessary tools to beat Floyd in a P4P match. Doesn't even mean he would, right? As the man stated earlier, this thread is about that, not who is the greatest when every other factor is considered.

If you want to say May is the greatest ever, I don't care. Losing to Ward in a mythical match isn't going to affect that, is it Danny boy? But that is not what this thread is about. Who is the greater great is an ancillary matter to the question too. Schmeling beat Louis. Was he greater? They both won one, does that make him Louis's equal? Ward had more challenge in him than MW did. MW definitely more risk-averse than any other top fighter of his time, perhaps in boxing history.

This not a greatest-ever list. It is a who beats who P4P list without ordering, except for MW's order, who I feel is in approximately the right place on my list. He is in the zone where I placed him.

So rather than whining about MW's greatness and my picks, why not join the spirit and discuss what is on the menu--P4P matches between MW and other ATGs? And if you are unable to do that, you know where the door is..

I didn't mean to trigger your roid rage, Danny boy. You are still on them and they have that stigma attached, so maybe I should have considered that.

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah, pretty good. But not real good or prime. Whose excuses are nonsense is up to whoever is reading. You don't get to choose for them.

And what's this Did More bullshit anyway? Ward fought some prime fighters, something Mayweather didn't do. That is what Ward did more of. He didn't win multiple titles, he was undefeated, and just like your Floyd he couldn't punch hard either. I believe he had the necessary tools to beat Floyd in a P4P match. Doesn't even mean he would, right? As the man stated earlier, this thread is about that, not who is the greatest when every other factor is considered.

If you want to say May is the greatest ever, I don't care. Losing to Ward in a mythical match isn't going to affect that, is it Danny boy? But that is not what this thread is about. Who is the greater great is an ancillary matter to the question too. Schmeling beat Louis. Was he greater? They both won one, does that make him Louis's equal. Ward had more challenge in him than MW did. MW definitely more risk-averse than any other top fighter of his time, perhaps in boxing history.

This not a greatest-ever list. It is a who beats who P4P list without ordering, except for MW's order, who I feel is in approximately the right place on my list. He is in the zone where I placed him.

So rather than whining about MW's greatness and my picks, why not join the spirit and discuss what is on the menu--P4P matches between MW and other ATGs? And if you are unable to do that, you know where the door is..

I didn't mean to trigger your roid rage, Danny boy. You are still on them and they have that stigma attached, so maybe I should have considered that.

Mayweather fought lots of prime fighters, what are you talking about? That's the nonsense I'm referring to.

Mayweather fought #1 ranked, reigning world champion, current P4P ranked fighters in their prime multiple times. When did Ward ever do that? Oh yeah, never.

Now you're going to insert multiple excuses, that would the excuse nonsense I'm referring to.

Mayweather's career DWARFS Andre Ward's, they aren't even in the same stratosphere. Mayweather's career at 130 and 135s alone is more impressive than Andre Ward's entire career, let alone 140 lbs, 147 lbs and 154 lbs on top of that.

I'm not on steroids mate, so you can stop contributing to further ignorance, only makes you look worse than you already do.

[Kid Cauliflower]

Mayweather fought lots of prime fighters, what are you talking about? That's the nonsense I'm referring to.

Mayweather fought #1 ranked, reigning world champion, current P4P ranked fighters in their prime multiple times. When did Ward ever do that? Oh yeah, never.

Now you're going to insert multiple excuses, that would the excuse nonsense I'm referring to.

Mayweather's career DWARFS Andre Ward's, they aren't even in the same stratosphere. Mayweather's career at 130 and 135s alone is more impressive than Andre Ward's entire career, let alone 140 lbs, 147 lbs and 154 lbs on top of that.

I'm not on steroids mate, so you can stop contributing to further ignorance, only makes you look worse than you already do.

I thought you said you were "still," on them. My bad, you just act like you are, nut-hog.

MW didn't fight who he should have when he should have, which is plain to all non MW nut-hogs. He could have. If he had fought so many prime greats as you weakly insist, you would have already named them and thrown them in my face. You know your selections could easily be torn apart. They were past it. That is not what I require, but acceptable to you.

If you say there were no great prime fighters available, that was not his fault any more than Marciano's in his time. That is why Rock is the only fighter I might dismiss from a perch above MW's. A Mayweather the size of Charles might destroy the Rock by a thousand cuts.

[IronDanHamza]

I thought you said you were "still," on them. My bad, you just act like you are, nut-hog.

No I said I was still on PEDs I.e a TRT dosage of Testosterone. That's not a steroid. I never said I was still on steroids. So how about just stick to what's actually been said? A basic concept that seems to elude you constantly.

MW didn't fight who he should have when he should have, which is plain to all non MW nut-hogs

Ok, neither did Andre Ward. So what now? It's a none argument and just a frankly asinine one to even compare the two fighters. They aren't in the same league.

If he had fought so many prime greats as you weakly insist, you would have already named them and thrown them in my face. You know your selections could easily be torn apart. They were past it. That is not what I require, but acceptable to you.

I never said he fought prime greats. So you've just lied yet again saying I insisted he did that when not only have I not insisted it, I haven't even claimed it. I would strongly advise you proof read your responses and consider the language that you use.

What I did actually say, was Mayweather fought #1 ranked, reigning world champion, current P4P ranked fighters in their prime multiple times, which I think might just fall under the category of "good fighters". How many times did Andre Ward do that above? Never. In fact Andre Ward fought 0 great fighters IN GENERAL. Let alone in their prime.

For what it's worth, the only prime great you could argue Mayweather beat was Canelo Alvarez. The prime HOF fighters he beat were Diego Corrales and Ricky Hatton. All of which were considered universally as one of the 10 best fighters in the entire world across all weight classes when Mayweather beat them by the boxing writers/media.

[billeau2]

These lists are always tough... impossible to get everyone.

[Kid Cauliflower]

No I said I was still on PEDs I.e a TRT dosage of Testoterone. That's not a steroid. I never said I was still on steroids. So how about just stick to what's actually been said, a basic concept that seems to elude you constantly.

Ok, neither did Andre Ward. So what now? It's a none argument and just a frankly asinine one to even compare the two fighters. They aren't in the same league.




I never said he fought prime greats. So you've just lied yet again saying I insisted he did that when not only have I not insisted it, I haven't even claimed it. I would strongly advise you proof read your responses and consider the language that you use.

What I did actually say, was Mayweather fought #1 ranked, reigning world champion, current P4P ranked fighters in their prime multiple times, which I think might just fall under the category of "good fighters". How many times did Andre Ward do that above? Never. In fact Andre Ward fought 0 great fighters IN GENERAL. Let alone in their prime.

For what it's worth, the only prime great you could argue Mayweather beat was Canelo Alvarez. The prime HOF fighters he beat were Diego Corrales and Ricky Hatton. All of which were considered universally as one of the 10 best fighters in the entire world across all weight classes when Mayweather beat them by the boxing writers/media.

Yes, he did beat those guys who were dangerous but turned out to have little technical skill. I can't fault him that he showed them up easily. Most people agree Canelo was a little green compared to his later self, but not too much. Stationary Canelo was the perfect target for a sharpshooter. Still impressive and Mayweather's best win, outside Corrales. I give credit for Maidana too, and the rematch, with the caveat that it was Maidana's last fight.

Let me ask you if Mayweather waited on any tough challengers he was perfectly able to encounter earlier but passed on at the time.

Everyone knows he wanted no part of Margarito. That was way before he knew he was a cheater? MW's personnel would have caught those hardened gloves, I believe. Marge would have been the best plume on his cap if he could have put it there. He didn't want to try.

MW fought Cotto only immediately after he had been brutalized and stopped twice by Margarito and TKOd by Pacquiao. And I mean immediately. Suddenly, he looked like a good opponent to May. Win way overrated.

He fought Mosley only after Shane had been demoralized twice by Forrest, twice by Winky Wright and had been TKOd by Pacquiao and lost but unfairly to Trinidad. Win way overrated.

The De La Hoya fight was way past expiration date and was just for the money. Hoya a 50% spent fighter. Hoya's 3rd to last fight. He fought him only when he had been beaten by Mosley, and cremated twice by Pacquiao and Hopkins respectively. Win way overrated.

Gatti had already lost 6 times having been KOd twice. His 4th to last fight. Of course he had a title so maybe the fight had to be. But facts are facts, Gatti was 33 and in a body with a style that had already taken tremendous punishment in the three Mickey Ward fights. Suddenly, he looked like a good opponent. Gatti's 4th to last fight. Two fights later, he even lost to the likes of Baldomir.


Pacquiao counts for nothing. It is so damned obvious Pac was not his prime self anymore, or even close. He used to be like prime Tyson, in constant motion. By the time of Mayweather, he just stood there like Tyson had when he was shot.

Whoever caused the Pacquiao fiasco, facts are facts, and we have to judge the actual competition by what was there, not what used to be.