Mayweather's Position, All Time P4P List

[IronDanHamza]

Yes, he did beat those guys who were dangerous but turned out to have little technical skill. I can't fault him that he showed them up easily. Most people agree Canelo was a little green compared to his later self, but not too much. Stationary Canelo was the perfect target for a sharpshooter. Still impressive and Mayweather's best win, outside Corrales. I give credit for Maidana too, and the rematch, with the caveat that it was Maidana's last fight.

Let me ask you if Mayweather waited on any tough challengers he was perfectly able to encounter earlier but passed on at the time.

Everyone knows he wanted no part of Margarito. That was way before he knew he was a cheater? MW's personnel would have caught those hardened gloves, I believe. Marge would have been the best plume on his cap if he could have put it there. He didn't want to try.

MW fought Cotto only immediately after he had been brutalized and stopped twice by Margarito and TKOd by Pacquiao. And I mean immediately. Suddenly, he looked like a good opponent to May. Win way overrated.

He fought Mosley only after Shane had been demoralized twice by Forrest, twice by Winky Wright and had been TKOd by Pacquiao and lost but unfairly to Trinidad. Win way overrated.

The De La Hoya fight was way past expiration date and was just for the money. Hoya a 50% spent fighter. Hoya's 3rd to last fight. He fought him only when he had been beaten by Mosley, and cremated twice by Pacquiao and Hopkins respectively. Win way overrated.

Gatti had already lost 6 times having been KOd twice. His 4th to last fight. Of course he had a title so maybe the fight had to be. But facts are facts, Gatti was 33 and in a body with a style that had already taken tremendous punishment in the three Mickey Ward fights. Suddenly, he looked like a good opponent. Gatti's 4th to last fight. Two fights later, he even lost to the likes of Baldomir.


Pacquiao counts for nothing. It is so damned obvious Pac was not his prime self anymore, or even close. He used to be like prime Tyson, in constant motion. By the time of Mayweather, he just stood there like Tyson had when he was shot.

Whoever caused the Pacquiao fiasco, facts are facts, and we have to judge the actual competition by what was there, not what used to be.

Nice list of excuses, as expected. Could do the literal exact same drivel with Andre Ward and the handful of decent fighters he beat. And pretty much any one on the list you've put together. But, I digress.

Some just wrong information there too, such as Mayweather fighting Oscar after being stopped by Pacquaio, when Mayweather fought Oscar over a year prior to Pacquaio. You are a glutton for mistakes, aren't you?

Here's the long and short of it, of the fighters you have listed there, here's how they were considered at the time;

Shane Mosley; #1 Welterweight in the world and WBA Champion and #3 P4P fighter in the world
Miguel Cotto - #1 JMW in the world and WBA Champion
Oscar De La Hoya - #3 JMW in the World and WBC Champion
Arturo Gatti - #1 JWW in the World and WBC Champion
Manny Pacquaio, #1 WW in the world, WBO Champion and P4P #2 fighter in the world.


Just from those 5 examples alone, that is more Top 5 ranked fighters than Andre Ward fought in his ENTIRE CAREER.

Speaks for itself, really.

[Kid Cauliflower]

Nice list of excuses, as expected. Could do the literal exact same drivel with Andre Ward and the handful of decent fighters he beat. And pretty much any one on the list you've put together. But, I digress.

Some just wrong information there too, such as Mayweather fighting Oscar after being stopped by Pacquaio, when Mayweather fought Oscar over a year prior to Pacquaio. You are a glutton for mistakes, aren't you?

Here's the long and short of it, of the fighters you have listed there, here's how they were considered at the time;

Shane Mosley; #1 Welterweight in the world and WBA Champion and #3 P4P fighter in the world
Miguel Cotto - #1 JMW in the world and WBA Champion
Oscar De La Hoya - #3 JMW in the World and WBC Champion
Arturo Gatti - #1 JWW in the World and WBC Champion
Manny Pacquaio, #1 WW in the world, WBO Champion and P4P #2 fighter in the world.


Just from those 5 examples alone, that is more Top 5 ranked fighters than Andre Ward fought in his ENTIRE CAREER.

Speaks for itself, really.

First of all, dummy, I made one mistake with the dates. I don't look at what the fighters were considered to be, I only care what I considered them to be at the time. When he decided to take some of those fights is very telling. His insurance, of course.

Oh yeah, run now to the boxing writers you trashed a few posts ago, nut-hog. Run to phony ratings and the boxing writers now, Those opponents were semi-washed up. Furthermore, you know it. So the liar around here is not me. Boxing writers know nothing about steroids according to you, yet talk about them quite often. Why would you put any stock in their opinions? From what I have seen, most of them don't know anything about boxing either. Maybe you will gobble their nuts too, now that you are on friendly terms.

Now run along, I grow weary of your churlish insistence in the face of the obvious. In short, you are a boor. Either make your own list or GTFO.

[IronDanHamza]

First of all, dummy, I made one mistake with the dates.

Yeah, I know you did. That would be why I just informed and corrected you about that. I've already previously warned you about why you should be proof reading your posts.

I don't look at what the fighters were considered to be, I only care what I considered them to be at the time. When he decided to take some of those fights is very telling. His insurance, of course.

I literally just listed you where the examples you gave for the opponents Mayweather fought were ranked and considered AT THE TIME What are you talking about?

Oh yeah, run now to the boxing writers you trashed a few posts ago, nut-hog. Run to phony ratings and the boxing writers now, Those opponents were semi-washed up. Furthermore, you know it. So the liar around here is not me. Boxing writers know nothing about steroids according to you, yet talk about them quite often. Why would you put any stock in their opinions? From what I have seen, most of them don't know anything about boxing either. Maybe you will gobble their nuts too, now that you are on friendly terms.

Do you have dementia? When did I ever trash a boxing writer's opinion on a boxing related opinion? Keep up mate.

All I'm doing here is merely educating you on where Mayweather's opponents were ranked at the time he fought them, both in their division and P4P. Because clearly, you aren't even aware. You'll make excuses for it anyway, obviously. But it's still better off you actually know for future reference, to avoid this kind of embarrassment.

[Kid Cauliflower]

You are not educating anyone, ya halfwit, and not capable of it, except maybe with steroids. Like I said, I believe your claims because you wouldn't have the imagination to make up your own credentials.

So you have been a drug pusher for 40 years, or is that only 30 years ago or so, when you stopped ruining your poor brain with steroids? That will not heal, my churl.

Sure, I must have dementia--I said I thought Andre Ward would probably beat Mayweather in a P4P match. Now that's dementia!

And I'll give you your own advice--stick to what you know, because it ain't medicine, unless you are a secret doctor too.

As for boxing, you know about as much as I do, which is not nearly as much as some of these cats around here. You are no expert. But you have it in your injured brain that you are so good that the people on here can't even argue with you--3 so far--it's useless, you will dispatch them forthwith.

When they don't agree with Hammy they become instant idiots. Or was that fckin' moron? Hammy just knows and knows.

I am not asking you to agree with me, the request is to see your list. Show that you have the imagination to make one. Show that the steroids did not take it all, my churl.

[IronDanHamza]

You are not educating anyone, ya halfwit, and not capable of it, except maybe with steroids. Like I said, I believe your claims because you wouldn't have the imagination to make up your own credentials.

Quite literally just educated you on your mistake, by definition. And it wasn't your only mistake either by the way. It's no one's fault but your own that I seem to have to consistently do that for you.

So you have been a drug pusher for 40 years, or is that only 30 years ago or so, when you stopped ruining your poor brain with steroids? That will not heal, my churl.

Sorry, where have I ever said I am or was a "drug pusher"? By pusher, I assume you mean dealer? Where have I stated I sold any form of drug, legal or illegal?

You're doing it again, after I just warned you of your issue less than 2 posts ago. Why are you incapable of stopping yourself making things up? Is it a reading comprehension thing or do you just struggle with it in general? It's almost constant at this point.

Sure, I must have dementia--I said I thought Andre Ward would probably beat Mayweather in a P4P match. Now that's dementia!

When I asked if you had dementia, it had nothing to do with your opinion on Andre Ward. There was a very clear reason why I asked that question but you're supporting the argument for, I guess

As for boxing, you know about as much as I do, which is not nearly as much as some of these cats around here. You are no expert. But you have it in your injured brain that you are so good that the people on here can't even argue with you--3 so far--it's useless, you will dispatch them forthwith.

When they don't agree with Hammy they become instant idiots. Or was that fckin' moron? Hammy just knows and knows.

I am not asking you to agree with me, the request is to see your list. Show that you have the imagination to make one. Show that the steroids did not take it all, my churl.

Ehh, nah. Your boxing knowledge is reasonably limited, from what I can tell. Not saying you're clueless because you're not but it's pretty limited, isn't it?

The rest of the drivel you've put down there is just fantasy stuff, as per usual with your posts. Nothing to do with anything I've actually ever said.

There's plenty of guys on here that I converse with who are expert level boxing guys, especially the 15 years I've been on here.

Jab himself knows his stuff, he just obviously knows nothing what so ever about PED's, which is fine. Just baffles me when someone would talk on something they obviously know nothing about. I've never said anything untoward about Jab's boxing knowledge, he's been around, knows his stuff. We posted on AOL at the same time 20 years ago.

[The Big Dunn]

Always find interesting that Floyd is always higher on the ATG lists compiled by boxing experts than he is on the lists of casual fan, far right fringe posters.

[The Big Dunn]

You actually have Andre Ward ranked higher than Manny Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather?

That's got to be satire, surely?

Sort of invalidates the list imo. Floyd is ahead of both but to each his own.

[QueensburyRules]

Yes, he did beat those guys who were dangerous but turned out to have little technical skill. I can't fault him that he showed them up easily. Most people agree Canelo was a little green compared to his later self, but not too much. Stationary Canelo was the perfect target for a sharpshooter. Still impressive and Mayweather's best win, outside Corrales. I give credit for Maidana too, and the rematch, with the caveat that it was Maidana's last fight.

Let me ask you if Mayweather waited on any tough challengers he was perfectly able to encounter earlier but passed on at the time.

Everyone knows he wanted no part of Margarito. That was way before he knew he was a cheater? MW's personnel would have caught those hardened gloves, I believe. Marge would have been the best plume on his cap if he could have put it there. He didn't want to try.

MW fought Cotto only immediately after he had been brutalized and stopped twice by Margarito and TKOd by Pacquiao. And I mean immediately. Suddenly, he looked like a good opponent to May. Win way overrated.

He fought Mosley only after Shane had been demoralized twice by Forrest, twice by Winky Wright and had been TKOd by Pacquiao and lost but unfairly to Trinidad. Win way overrated.

The De La Hoya fight was way past expiration date and was just for the money. Hoya a 50% spent fighter. Hoya's 3rd to last fight. He fought him only when he had been beaten by Mosley, and cremated twice by Pacquiao and Hopkins respectively. Win way overrated.

Gatti had already lost 6 times having been KOd twice. His 4th to last fight. Of course he had a title so maybe the fight had to be. But facts are facts, Gatti was 33 and in a body with a style that had already taken tremendous punishment in the three Mickey Ward fights. Suddenly, he looked like a good opponent. Gatti's 4th to last fight. Two fights later, he even lost to the likes of Baldomir.


Pacquiao counts for nothing. It is so damned obvious Pac was not his prime self anymore, or even close. He used to be like prime Tyson, in constant motion. By the time of Mayweather, he just stood there like Tyson had when he was shot.

Whoever caused the Pacquiao fiasco, facts are facts, and we have to judge the actual competition by what was there, not what used to be.

- - Canelo turned Blue making the 152 catchweight and with165lb fightweight limit that usually saw him in the 170s, he just couldn't operate fully. l'l floydy and he Crack Daddy ducked the incredibly lucrative rematch at the full 154 weight or a 155 CaneloWt when he held the Middle title.

Corrales had already abandoned lightwt, but before he could move up, he beat up he baby mama and was due confinement in The Big House. Arum the shark smelled blood in the water to make him an offer at lightwt that he needed for his family.

[IronDanHamza]

Sort of invalidates the list imo. Floyd is ahead of both but to each his own.

I wouldn't argue with someone ranking Pacquaio ahead of Mayweather. I personally don't but there's a debate there, both iconic, legendary fighters.

However the idea of Andre Ward being ranked ahead of Mayweather is just totally laughable.

[djtmal]

I see Iron Dan on here beefing up his Floyd excuse numbers.