Mayweather's Position, All Time P4P List

[The Big Dunn]

I wouldn't argue with someone ranking Pacquaio ahead of Mayweather. I personally don't but there's a debate there, both iconic, legendary fighters.

However the idea of Andre Ward being ranked ahead of Mayweather is just totally laughable.

You treat these agenda driven wack jobs as if they are rational fans with a sensible opinion.

Again, notice the difference in ranks. That wide of a disparity doesn’t seem to occur when they rank other ATGs

[Kid Cauliflower]

No, sorry, you are average in boxing knowledge and a boor. I expect no more than that from a steroid abuser who handicapped himself long ago.

If you were still on steroids you could not admit it because it is illegal. I think there is a good chance you still are. You're a good friend but I can't take your word on this. Seek help.

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Ward is dirty and has a lot of gusto. He is very adaptable himself and not slow. He will get his dirty stuff in when he can. Like Mayweather, he likes the jab to the belly. Mayweather likes to clinch so much let's see if he likes it against Ward. Pac/May was a clinch fest, almost all initiated by your darling. He looked like John Ruiz out there. Dirty old Ward likes to clinch too. Ever consider how that might go? Mayweather may require a rough tactician of Ward's caliber to beat him. That is why it is a good fight....well, as good as a fight between those 2 action freaks can be anyway.

What you do not consider is that Mayweather can lose to Ward and still be higher on a P4P list. How? The rankings go to the man who beats more people on the list, because I believe none of them can beat every single fighter in this scenario. But we don't know their actual places, do we? Because I never stated it.

What do you think who-beats-who P4P means, if not that?

[IronDanHamza]

No, sorry, you are average in boxing knowledge and a boor. I expect no more than that from a steroid abuser who handicapped himself long ago.

Oooooooo is steroid a naughty term to you?

If you were still on steroids you could not admit it because it is illegal. I think there is a good chance you still are. You're a good friend but I can't take your word on this. Seek help.

Erm, actually no, steroids are not illegal to purchase, or use recreationally in my country. Wrong, once again. You must enjoy being constantly wrong about things

Ward is dirty and has a lot of gusto. He is very adaptable himself and not slow. He will get his dirty stuff in when he can. Like Mayweather, he likes the jab to the belly. Mayweather likes to clinch so much let's see if he likes it against Ward. Pac/May was a clinch fest, almost all initiated by your darling. He looked like John Ruiz out there. Dirty old Ward likes to clinch too. Ever consider how that might go? Mayweather may require a rough tactician of Ward's caliber to beat him. That is why it is a good fight....well, as good as a fight between those 2 action freaks can be anyway.

No that fight only had 23 clinches in total in 12 rounds, which averages to less than 2 clinches per round. So, wrong, again.

What you do not consider is that Mayweather can lose to Ward and still be higher on a P4P list. How? The rankings go to the man who beats more people on the list, because I believe none of them can beat every single fighter in this scenario. But we don't know their actual places, do we? Because I never stated it.

What do you think who-beats-who P4P means, if not that?

Can mean a plethora of things, really. Depends on the ranker.

You have Pacquaio ahead of him, when he beat Pacquaio easily, so, kind of implodes your own argument.

Either way, Andre Ward being included on any Top 50 all time list is comedy.

[The D3vil]

I've got him somewhere in the top 20-25 ATG, which is pretty great.

Top 3 all-time at 130 with Chavez & Arguello

[Kid Cauliflower]

You treat these agenda driven wack jobs as if they are rational fans with a sensible opinion.

Again, notice the difference in ranks. That wide of a disparity doesn’t seem to occur when they rank other ATGs

Man, you can't read either. I guess I am not surprised at all, left-wing whack job.. Be so kind as to tell me where this so called disparity is located, since the only one ranked was Mayweather. For a disparity to be present the possibility of comparison must be present. I am tired of explaining the basics of the format. Everyone else on there could be anywhere else on the list, it doesn't matter because I am not ranking them, except in the sense I believe all of those above him on the list would beat more people on the list than he would.. So there is no disparity present, serf.

If the list happens to look like it is fully ordered, that is only because I wrote down the obvious names first and had to think harder near the end.

Yeah, turn this into a political flogging and class war, ruin another thread, that's what you shrunken heads are good at.

Hammy is a great thread wrecker though, genius level. General Hammy.

So tell me what my right-wing agenda is, big boy, and why it is a right-wing wing agenda and not an honest opinion.

You and Hammy will not make a list because that is not why you are here. You are only here now to try and turn this thread into the old Boxing Scene Lounge. You never come to the history section and talk about boxing. Boxing is not what you talk about, remember? You talk about racism and racists and left vs right.

You would not want to get off track and talk about the subject of boxing. But you smelled an opportunity. I know you are starving for the old Lounge and its leniency.

I just want it to be out front that you are the one who introduced politics into this thread. Boxing is unfamiliar territory for you, but try to stick with it.

[IronDanHamza]

Man, you can't read either. I guess I am not surprised at all, left-wing whack job.. Be so kind as to tell me where this so called disparity is located, since the only one ranked was Mayweather. For a disparity to be present the possibility of comparison must be present. I am tired of explaining the basics of the format. Everyone else on there could be anywhere else on the list, it doesn't matter because I am not ranking them, except in the sense I believe all of those above him on the list would beat more people on the list than he would.. So there is no disparity present, serf.

If the list happens to look like it is fully ordered, that is only because I wrote down the obvious names first and had to think harder near the end.

Yeah, turn this into a political flogging and class war, ruin another thread, that's what you shrunken heads are good at.

Hammy is a great thread wrecker though, genius level. General Hammy.

So tell me what my right-wing agenda is, big boy, and why it is a right-wing wing agenda and not an honest opinion.

You and Hammy will not make a list because that is not why you are here. You are only here now to try and turn this thread into the old Boxing Scene Lounge. You never come to the history section and talk about boxing. Boxing is not what you talk about, remember? You talk about racism and racists and left vs right.

You would not want to get off track and talk about the subject of boxing. But you smelled an opportunity. I know you are starving for the old Lounge and its leniency.

I just want it to be out front that you are the one who introduced politics into this thread. Boxing is unfamiliar territory for you, but try to stick with it.

Not sure if you're bunching us together or not there but for what it's worth, I'm right leaning. I voted Reform, which I guess lefties would consider as good as N azi's

Your boxing knowledge is very limited son, sorry to tell you. I just read a thread where you didn't even know Ricardo Mayorga was known for his trash talking which is pretty much the only thing he's overly good at I'm going to assume you're relatively new to Boxing? With the consistent mistakes you make and open transparency to things you don't know, which is admirable by the way, I don't knock you for that one bit.

Stick to making constant mistakes, misquoting and just other general weird behaviour. You're not up to scratch on this Boxing stuff as of yet.


Also, you said I won't make a list? Mate I love a good list! What exactly are you asking me to make a list of? Fighters I consider greater than Mayweather? Or if not, what? Let me know and I'll make one.

[The Big Dunn]

Man, you can't read either. I guess I am not surprised at all, left-wing whack job.. Be so kind as to tell me where this so called disparity is located, since the only one ranked was Mayweather. For a disparity to be present the possibility of comparison must be present. I am tired of explaining the basics of the format. Everyone else on there could be anywhere else on the list, it doesn't matter because I am not ranking them, except in the sense I believe all of those above him on the list would beat more people on the list than he would.. So there is no disparity present, serf.

If the list happens to look like it is fully ordered, that is only because I wrote down the obvious names first and had to think harder near the end.

Yeah, turn this into a political flogging and class war, ruin another thread, that's what you shrunken heads are good at.

Hammy is a great thread wrecker though, genius level. General Hammy.

So tell me what my right-wing agenda is, big boy, and why it is a right-wing wing agenda and not an honest opinion.

You and Hammy will not make a list because that is not why you are here. You are only here now to try and turn this thread into the old Boxing Scene Lounge. You never come to the history section and talk about boxing. Boxing is not what you talk about, remember? You talk about racism and racists and left vs right.

You would not want to get off track and talk about the subject of boxing. But you smelled an opportunity. I know you are starving for the old Lounge and its leniency.

I just want it to be out front that you are the one who introduced politics into this thread. Boxing is unfamiliar territory for you, but try to stick with it.

I didn’t get off track in any way. My comment is about boxing. I don’t think a knowledgeable fan like IronDan should give credence to clowns with an agenda when it comes to lists of ATG boxers.

I did compare your list to the lists of ATG boxers done by media members. That is the post Iron Dan initially responded to.

You made the list to focus on Floyd, as you titled this thread. So spare us the dishonest, whiny BS that you just made a list to discuss boxing.

[QueensburyRules]

Oooooooo is steroid a naughty term to you?



Erm, actually no, steroids are not illegal to purchase, or use recreationally in my country. Wrong, once again. You must enjoy being constantly wrong about things



No that fight only had 23 clinches in total in 12 rounds, which averages to less than 2 clinches per round. So, wrong, again.



Can mean a plethora of things, really. Depends on the ranker.

You have Pacquaio ahead of him, when he beat Pacquaio easily, so, kind of implodes your own argument.

Either way, Andre Ward being included on any Top 50 all time list is comedy.

- - Baby Mama Beater ran and covered up cowering on the ropes needing Hometown MGM/Vegas Commish rejiggering their score cards and a two week backdated TUE.

Now that's a Hamebone Dan kind of manly fighter...

[Kid Cauliflower]

Not sure if you're bunching us together or not there but for what it's worth, I'm right leaning. I voted Reform, which I guess lefties would consider as good as N azi's

Your boxing knowledge is very limited son, sorry to tell you. I just read a thread where you didn't even know Ricardo Mayorga was known for his trash talking which is pretty much the only thing he's overly good at I'm going to assume you're relatively new to Boxing? With the consistent mistakes you make and open transparency to things you don't know, which is admirable by the way, I don't knock you for that one bit.

Stick to making constant mistakes, misquoting and just other general weird behaviour. You're not up to scratch on this Boxing stuff as of yet.


Also, you said I won't make a list? Mate I love a good list! What exactly are you asking me to make a list of? Fighters I consider greater than Mayweather? Or if not, what? Let me know and I'll make one.

Glad to see you vote well.

On the mistakes, I have to say I am old and do not do anything quite as well as I used, except music, which I now do better, even with some small age-related disabilities in the fingers. It is still an excuse for sloppy work. I actually had those dates scribbled down correctly on scrap paper but could not them correctly,though I actually rechecked twice.

On misinformation, it was not disinformation, but still incorrect. Plead guilty.

On Pacquiao the fight was too far past expiration date to count.

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I screwed up on my list because I was trying to use a novel form of a P4P list, which in the end even I could not make sense of, though I kept trying to patch it, because I could see my own cloudy intentions. It did not work.

Now what I should have done is make my own traditional P4P list, and mention any possible caveats, such as I think Ward has a good chance against Mayweather because of styles and capability. Though Ward would still not rank higher than him. Everything that has been argued about would have been crystal clear had I.

I'll get back to you about steroids. I have a few questions.

[Kid Cauliflower]

I didn’t get off track in any way. My comment is about boxing. I don’t think a knowledgeable fan like IronDan should give credence to clowns with an agenda when it comes to lists of ATG boxers.

I did compare your list to the lists of ATG boxers done by media members. That is the post Iron Dan initially responded to.

You made the list to focus on Floyd, as you titled this thread. So spare us the dishonest, whiny BS that you just made a list to discuss boxing.

You tempered it down to clown (which is fine), but a post ago you implied that I was a right wing whacko with an agenda. You slyly brought politics into the discussion. I won't ask you why, because I feel I already have the answer--you are starving.

But what about my agenda? Are you going to reveal what that is? Go ahead, I give you permission to dox me.