Mayweather's Position, All Time P4P List

[The Big Dunn]

You tempered it down to clown (which is fine), but a post ago you implied that I was a right wing whacko with an agenda. You slyly brought politics into the discussion. I won't ask you why, because I feel I already have the answer--you are starving.

But what about my agenda? Are you going to reveal what that is? Go ahead, I give you permission to dox me.

Yes I did. That describes you and in no way takes away from the boxing in the post or shifts the discussion to politics.

I made it clear in my response.

[Kid Cauliflower]

Yes I did. That describes you and in no way takes away from the boxing in the post or shifts the discussion to politics.

I made it clear in my response.

You sneaked it in, knew what you were doing, and now play innocent. You strongly insinuated I was a right wing whacko with an agenda. If you are going to accuse a man of something, you should have the guts to be able to tell him what it is. You charge me publicly with having an agenda, so find the guts to say what it is.

[The Big Dunn]

You sneaked it in, knew what you were doing, and now play innocent. You strongly insinuated I was a right wing whacko with an agenda. If you are going to accuse a man of something, you should have the guts to be able to tell him what it is. You charge me publicly with having an agenda, so find the guts to say what it is.

I didn’t sneak anything in. I stated that outright.

I did in the post. I spelled it out- this isn’t some list. It’s an anti Floyd thread.

[IronDanHamza]

Glad to see you vote well.

On the mistakes, I have to say I am old and do not do anything quite as well as I used, except music, which I now do better, even with some small age-related disabilities in the fingers. It is still an excuse for sloppy work. I actually had those dates scribbled down correctly on scrap paper but could not them correctly,though I actually rechecked twice.

On misinformation, it was not disinformation, but still incorrect. Plead guilty.

Ay mate, we're all getting old. I'm ancient, legit, I didn't expect to still be knocking around at this point. Still cognitive, though, so as long as that may last. Falls off quick it seems, I'm very active I think that helps, I'm in the gym every day, with clients every day, try to read atleast 1 hour a day. Keeps you sharper, but will say I do tend to forget a lot if I don't write things down.

We are bickering like little girls here, it's silly. No need for it. You impressed me with your Howard Davis Jr example in the other thread.

On Pacquiao the fight was too far past expiration date to count.

Don't dispute Pacquaio was beyond his prime years, as was Floyd though.

But, to counter that point, Pacquaio was still at that point the #1 WW in the world, and the #2 P4P ranked fighter in the world. Surely, that can't count for nothing?

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I screwed up on my list because I was trying to use a novel form of a P4P list, which in the end even I could not make sense of, though I kept trying to patch it, because I could see my own cloudy intentions. It did not work.

Now what I should have done is make my own traditional P4P list, and mention any possible caveats, such as I think Ward has a good chance against Mayweather because of styles and capability. Though Ward would still not rank higher than him. Everything that has been argued about would have been crystal clear had I.

I'll get back to you about steroids. I have a few questions.

Miscommunication really, happens.

Questions on PEDs fire at me any time.

[Kid Cauliflower]

I didn’t sneak anything in. I stated that outright.

I did in the post. I spelled it out- this isn’t some list. It’s an anti Floyd thread.

Still hiding I see. Coward through and through, aren't you?

You sneaked it in. What does right wing refer to, if not politics? I want to know what is right wing about my posts in this thread, ass wipe.

[The Big Dunn]

Still hiding I see. Coward through and through, aren't you?

You sneaked it in. What does right wing refer to, if not politics? I want to know what is right wing about my posts in this thread, ass wipe.

Hiding from what? I answered your question directly multiple times.

I described you the poster, to another poster, based on previous interactions. Not what you posted in this thread.

That is why I couldn’t understand why he treated you like a rational poster. The responses made this pretty clear.

[GhostofDempsey]

You sneaked it in, knew what you were doing, and now play innocent. You strongly insinuated I was a right wing whacko with an agenda. If you are going to accuse a man of something, you should have the guts to be able to tell him what it is. You charge me publicly with having an agenda, so find the guts to say what it is.

He does this on every thread. He either steers it into a race or political debate. He can't help himself. Always the victim.

[billeau2]

I happen to be a fan of Ward's I think he actually comes close to Mayweather in some respects, Mostly in how he dominated a lot of his competition... But Ward would have ranked a lot higher if Kovalev had reached a potential many thought he could. As it stands Ward beat some marquee fighters, Hall of Famers, but alas... no ATG's. I give Floyd conditional credit on the Pac fight, though I think that fight was strictly a judges discretion if a decision... No one showed dominance over the other...

As far as Floyd ranking... I really want more time to pass... Lets see how some of the guys At 130 look in a career... Floyd was dominant here and a lot of guys are passing through the division. Floyd belongs somewhere on an ATG list... I am just not sure where yet.

[Kid Cauliflower]

Ay mate, we're all getting old. I'm ancient, legit, I didn't expect to still be knocking around at this point. Still cognitive, though, so as long as that may last. Falls off quick it seems, I'm very active I think that helps, I'm in the gym every day, with clients every day, try to read atleast 1 hour a day. Keeps you sharper, but will say I do tend to forget a lot if I don't write things down.

We are bickering like little girls here, it's silly. No need for it. You impressed me with your Howard Davis Jr example in the other thread.



Don't dispute Pacquaio was beyond his prime years, as was Floyd though.

But, to counter that point, Pacquaio was still at that point the #1 WW in the world, and the #2 P4P ranked fighter in the world. Surely, that can't count for nothing?

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Miscommunication really, happens.

Questions on PEDs fire at me any time.

Yes, it falls off very quickly. I have observed it many times in others, and now in myself.

On May/Pac, it does not count very highly with me, since it tipped the scales more in May's favor because he had a more preserving style. I don't fault anyone for their style--some preserve, some do not. Pacquiao's was much less forgiving.

What we fight like are badgers. Little girls wouldn't dare. A chap can usually get away with such behavior multiple times only in his own family, whereas he would be booted after the first time with non family. So it looks like we must be family, which I feel the forum fulfills some of the functions of.

On the steroids and/or PEDs--how fast do their benefits fall off once you stop. Scientifically, I suppose that is asking what their half-life is. I suppose the different compounds have different half-lives. Can you give me a general idea?

The next question is about a particular muscle, because it is reasonable to assume you know something about physiology. At the crook of the elbow, on the outside, a roundish protuberance when flexed. It sure feels, looks and reacts like a muscle to me, but when I consulted several sources I was unable to find it. Do you know what this muscle is called? I don't know if you are into the names of muscles, but I believe you guys do at least concentrate on specific muscle groups and maybe on specific.

This next question concerns a specific muscle too, but one that was quite novel. I have always wondered just how novel it was. You are the right man to talk to, you work around big muscle elephants all the time.

Here we go. This one is harder to explain and must be described. The guy is dead now, but he was my dad's best friend most of their lives. He was around a lot, so I saw his weird muscle many times. He could not get away from a group of familiar little kids without flexing his anomalous muscle at least once for them. He didn't mind and got a kick out of it.

The muscle itself popped right out of his forearm almost where it joins the wrist, was roundish but a little higher than it was broad. If you know about marbles you remember there were 3 basic sizes--the normal, the jumbo and a size in between. It was the in-between size. Imagine a slightly elongated green g**** if you don't know marbles.

He said he got this from milking 50 to 100 cows a day. He didn't fully milk them, milking machines had been invented (this was circa 1939), but the cows had to be finished of by hand in those days. Still a lot of squeezing.

But of course his whole body was nothing but muscle, he was genuinely abnormal to the point of novel, I believe, and his grip (I am told) was kind of incredible, since I would not have been able to judge it as a little kid. He never actually worked out a day in his life other than working an extremely strength-intensive job regularly and long hours.

The reason I describe it so well is because I want to know if you have ever seen anything like this before.It probably stood about 3/4 of an inch tall and was about 1/2 inch broad. Have you?

[IronDanHamza]

Yes, it falls off very quickly. I have observed it many times in others, and now in myself.

On May/Pac, it does not count very highly with me, since it tipped the scales more in May's favor because he had a more preserving style. I don't fault anyone for their style--some preserve, some do not. Pacquiao's was much less forgiving.

I disagree on that. I'd actually argue Floyd was a further past his prime than Pacquaio, but, that's debatable obviously.

I just think, in Pacquaio's case, if you're the #1 WW in the world, and #2 P4P fighter in the entire sport across all weight classes, then that holds weight. It has to.

He doesn't get credit for beating a prime Pacquaio, obviously. But I think he deserves a whole lot of credit for beating that version of Pacquaio who would still beat every other active fighter around his weight class at that time. But, that's just me.

What we fight like are badgers. Little girls wouldn't dare. A chap can usually get away with such behavior multiple times only in his own family, whereas he would be booted after the first time with non family. So it looks like we must be family, which I feel the forum fulfills some of the functions of.

Honey badgers maybe

On the steroids and/or PEDs--how fast do their benefits fall off once you stop. Scientifically, I suppose that is asking what their half-life is. I suppose the different compounds have different half-lives. Can you give me a general idea?

Reasonably quickly.

It's all contextual. As previously mentioned it's an extremely complex field, many moving parts.

If someone were to be blasting potent compounds and cruising for an extended period of time I.e multiple years and you were to go cold turkey then the benefits would instantly decrease and eventually to the point where you're actually worse off then when you started, due to the shut down of your natural testosterone production. But that's why, like myself, and essentially everyone else who has used PED's for their job, take a TRT dose for life so our test is at normal range (or higher).

On the flip side, if someone were to do a handful of cycles of ****** for example, a mild PED, then call it a day, the benefits aren't going to decrease all that much at all. So it's just down to the context; Dosages, specific compounds, etc etc etc etc etc.

The next question is about a particular muscle, because it is reasonable to assume you know something about physiology. At the crook of the elbow, on the outside, a roundish protuberance when flexed. It sure feels, looks and reacts like a muscle to me, but when I consulted several sources I was unable to find it. Do you know what this muscle is called? I don't know if you are into the names of muscles, but I believe you guys do at least concentrate on specific muscle groups and maybe on specific.

Would need to see exactly what and where to know further but it sounds like the brachialis. Essentially the muscle that moves the elbow in laymans terms.

This next question concerns a specific muscle too, but one that was quite novel. I have always wondered just how novel it was. You are the right man to talk to, you work around big muscle elephants all the time.

Here we go. This one is harder to explain and must be described. The guy is dead now, but he was my dad's best friend most of their lives. He was around a lot, so I saw his weird muscle many times. He could not get away from a group of familiar little kids without flexing his anomalous muscle at least once for them. He didn't mind and got a kick out of it.

The muscle itself popped right out of his forearm almost where it joins the wrist, was roundish but a little higher than it was broad. If you know about marbles you remember there were 3 basic sizes--the normal, the jumbo and a size in between. It was the in-between size. Imagine a slightly elongated green g**** if you don't know marbles.

He said he got this from milking 50 to 100 cows a day. He didn't fully milk them, milking machines had been invented (this was circa 1939), but the cows had to be finished of by hand in those days. Still a lot of squeezing.

But of course his whole body was nothing but muscle, he was genuinely abnormal to the point of novel, I believe, and his grip (I am told) was kind of incredible, since I would not have been able to judge it as a little kid. He never actually worked out a day in his life other than working an extremely strength-intensive job regularly and long hours.

The reason I describe it so well is because I want to know if you have ever seen anything like this before.It probably stood about 3/4 of an inch tall and was about 1/2 inch broad. Have you?

I would have to see it to understand more spherically but sounds like one of his flexors, likely the Capri Radalis.

From the the sound of it your Dad's friend was genetically gifted.

Will I have seen it before? I would say extremely likely but the human body and it's make up is a truly incredible thing, so it's possible he has some freakish genetic make up.

I trained in the same gym from time to time with Dorian Yates in the 1980's and 90's, who's arguably the greatest Body builder of all time, and one of the most mutant, freakish looking human beings that have ever lived. And that's just the tip of the iceberg, so to answer your question I don't know But probably, I would say.